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For what it's worth, my opinion is that Jeff was replying to Shanley with what he considered to be a better approach to the topic. I think the lack of attribut

For what it's worth, my opinion is that Jeff was replying to Shanley with what he considered to be a better approach to the topic. I think the lack of attribution was an oversight, and I don't think anything in Jeff's post "plagiarizes" or comes close to it. I also find Shanley's demeanor extremely rude, off-putting and counterproductive to a discussion on any topic.

jfarmer 12y ago
Except: https://twitter.com/SaraJChipps/status/459775964831293440 https://twitter.com/SaraJChipps/status/459775964831293440
rhizome 12y ago
rude, off-putting and counterproductive to a discussion on any topic. Manners were an invention of the aristocracy. my opinion is that Jeff was replying to Shanley with what he considered to be a better approach to the topic. Except that Jeff can't even bring himself to acknowledge Shanley in his post while stealing her title and structure after making an ass out of himself on Twitter such that he deleted the (MLK-splaining, among other) tweets before writing that post. He's participating in bad faith and being I-know-better, but what does he care? He has no skin in this game; he's got his.
- chc 12y ago
  Manners are a solution to the problem "Disagreements escalate out of control and only come to harmful resolutions." There were expectations of civility long before there was a concept of an aristocracy.
  - manys 12y ago
    No, it's the reinforcement of social order that predates manners.
dbloom 12y ago
> I also find Shanley's demeanor extremely rude, off-putting and counterproductive to a discussion on any topic. Linus Torvalds is even worse according to your definition of bad demeanor. Would you say that this helps or hurts his advocacy?
- Domenic_S 12y ago
  Hurts. Same with Steve Jobs. But those fellow are mostly revered despite their attitude, because of their accomplishments. I'd find it hard to believe anyone who claims that a bad demeanor helps one's cause, male or female.
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- philwelch 12y ago
  We know who Linus Torvalds is in spite of his demeanor, not because of it. That's not true for Shanley.
samrift 12y ago
I'm not sure Jeff's lack of attribution was an oversight since there's a pattern of behavior there. His earliest blogging didn't even have formatting differences between his comment and "quoted" parts, making it seem all his own. Some people stand on the shoulders of giants, but I often wonder if Jeff kicks giants in the shins and then stands on their backs. However, this isn't much (if any) of plagiarism of Shanley - other than the title. In any case, while I also have a hard time with Shanley's demeanor, I do try to separate the emotion and personal manner from the good points. It can be hard sometimes, that's for sure
bloopbloopbloop 12y ago
I agree regarding her demeanor. The way that she speaks is extremely rude and antagonistic towards men. I expect to be treated with respect, versus having blanket statements applied to all men. I'm also tired of being told that I am part of some vast feminist conspiracy "The White Male Patriarchy"; basically some fake boys club holding women back and excluding them - when the opposite is happening. I hire on merit only, not on bogus numbers thrown at me by radical feminists.

jfarmer 12y ago

Except: https://twitter.com/SaraJChipps/status/459775964831293440 https://twitter.com/SaraJChipps/status/459775964831293440

rhizome 12y ago

rude, off-putting and counterproductive to a discussion on any topic. Manners were an invention of the aristocracy. my opinion is that Jeff was replying to Shanley with what he considered to be a better approach to the topic. Except that Jeff can't even bring himself to acknowledge Shanley in his post while stealing her title and structure after making an ass out of himself on Twitter such that he deleted the (MLK-splaining, among other) tweets before writing that post. He's participating in bad faith and being I-know-better, but what does he care? He has no skin in this game; he's got his.

chc 12y ago
Manners are a solution to the problem "Disagreements escalate out of control and only come to harmful resolutions." There were expectations of civility long before there was a concept of an aristocracy.
- manys 12y ago
  No, it's the reinforcement of social order that predates manners.

dbloom 12y ago

> I also find Shanley's demeanor extremely rude, off-putting and counterproductive to a discussion on any topic. Linus Torvalds is even worse according to your definition of bad demeanor. Would you say that this helps or hurts his advocacy?

Domenic_S 12y ago
Hurts. Same with Steve Jobs. But those fellow are mostly revered despite their attitude, because of their accomplishments. I'd find it hard to believe anyone who claims that a bad demeanor helps one's cause, male or female.
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philwelch 12y ago
We know who Linus Torvalds is in spite of his demeanor, not because of it. That's not true for Shanley.

samrift 12y ago

I'm not sure Jeff's lack of attribution was an oversight since there's a pattern of behavior there. His earliest blogging didn't even have formatting differences between his comment and "quoted" parts, making it seem all his own. Some people stand on the shoulders of giants, but I often wonder if Jeff kicks giants in the shins and then stands on their backs. However, this isn't much (if any) of plagiarism of Shanley - other than the title. In any case, while I also have a hard time with Shanley's demeanor, I do try to separate the emotion and personal manner from the good points. It can be hard sometimes, that's for sure

bloopbloopbloop 12y ago

I agree regarding her demeanor. The way that she speaks is extremely rude and antagonistic towards men. I expect to be treated with respect, versus having blanket statements applied to all men. I'm also tired of being told that I am part of some vast feminist conspiracy "The White Male Patriarchy"; basically some fake boys club holding women back and excluding them - when the opposite is happening. I hire on merit only, not on bogus numbers thrown at me by radical feminists.