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While I agree that it is definitely best to use domestic launchers and not have to rely on the Russians for engines or astronaut launch, I don't think that "Fuc

by Crito 13y ago

While I agree that it is definitely best to use domestic launchers and not have to rely on the Russians for engines or astronaut launch, I don't think that "Fuck the Russians" is really a great expression of that. Since Apollo-Soyuz, spaceflight has been something that our two countries can productively collaborate on, despite our (at times, vast) political differences. Maintaining good relations between NASA and the RKA is valuable for everybody. SpaceX/RKA relations are less important however.

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- lotsofmangos 13y ago
  Calling for NASA to stop working with Roscosmos and the ISS over Putin is nuts. Space research and exploration is more than petty flag waving.
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  - joyeuse6701 13y ago
    Somehow I think taking over Crimea is more than petty flag waving to the people who live there. I'd ask for more empathy for those whose lives may be irrevocably damaged by the actions of the Russian Head of State.
    - icebraining 13y ago
      Having empathy doesn't mean we should fall into the politician's fallacy. Unless you can demonstrate how would stopping the collaboration actually help the Crimeans, it's nothing but demagogy.
    - lotsofmangos 13y ago
      Taking over Crimea is awful and completely predictable, as is the land corridor from Crimea to Russia that will be opened to the north. Russia is scared of losing control of the naval base it has held there for over a century. However the collaboration with the ISS is something that forces communication and trust on a joint project at a high level. It is not just that it is important for space research, it is even more important for soft diplomacy. It forces the governments into situations where they have to talk about something other than sabre rattling on a regular basis.
    - pc91 13y ago
      To be fair, most of people living there are Russians, and they seem to be happy to live in Russia. Of course the way Russia took Crimea wasn't very good, and was just to secure naval base, but they did it without bloodshed, which wouldn't be possible if people there wanted to stay with Ukraine.
      - BugBrother 13y ago
        That was a karma 4 acccount and this is much later, but... The main problem imho is that the last time destabilization and military [threat] was used to steal land areas around Europe, it was by guys in mustasches... And the motivation was similar -- "protect" Russi... German speaking populations. And right now the same methods are used in another area. Just like the 1930s, too. That second area will hardly be the last, if it works again. "Peace in our time" failed last time... As an European, this is just scary and everything really needs to be done to stop this before there is another big war.
- dang 13y ago
  This is a bad Hacker News comment: both politically inflammatory and a glib throwaway. That makes it a bad comment squared, not even counting its implicit Godwinism. Your "Fuck the Russians" comment upthread was another bad one. It derailed the conversation into an off-topic, indignant subthread. These are the thistle patches of HN. Please don't post any more comments like these to Hacker News.

by Crito 13y ago

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lotsofmangos 13y ago
Calling for NASA to stop working with Roscosmos and the ISS over Putin is nuts. Space research and exploration is more than petty flag waving.
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- joyeuse6701 13y ago
  Somehow I think taking over Crimea is more than petty flag waving to the people who live there. I'd ask for more empathy for those whose lives may be irrevocably damaged by the actions of the Russian Head of State.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    Having empathy doesn't mean we should fall into the politician's fallacy. Unless you can demonstrate how would stopping the collaboration actually help the Crimeans, it's nothing but demagogy.
  - lotsofmangos 13y ago
    Taking over Crimea is awful and completely predictable, as is the land corridor from Crimea to Russia that will be opened to the north. Russia is scared of losing control of the naval base it has held there for over a century. However the collaboration with the ISS is something that forces communication and trust on a joint project at a high level. It is not just that it is important for space research, it is even more important for soft diplomacy. It forces the governments into situations where they have to talk about something other than sabre rattling on a regular basis.
  - pc91 13y ago
    To be fair, most of people living there are Russians, and they seem to be happy to live in Russia. Of course the way Russia took Crimea wasn't very good, and was just to secure naval base, but they did it without bloodshed, which wouldn't be possible if people there wanted to stay with Ukraine.
    - BugBrother 13y ago
      That was a karma 4 acccount and this is much later, but... The main problem imho is that the last time destabilization and military [threat] was used to steal land areas around Europe, it was by guys in mustasches... And the motivation was similar -- "protect" Russi... German speaking populations. And right now the same methods are used in another area. Just like the 1930s, too. That second area will hardly be the last, if it works again. "Peace in our time" failed last time... As an European, this is just scary and everything really needs to be done to stop this before there is another big war.
dang 13y ago
This is a bad Hacker News comment: both politically inflammatory and a glib throwaway. That makes it a bad comment squared, not even counting its implicit Godwinism. Your "Fuck the Russians" comment upthread was another bad one. It derailed the conversation into an off-topic, indignant subthread. These are the thistle patches of HN. Please don't post any more comments like these to Hacker News.