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Tokaido 1.0 Released

26 points by necubi 13y ago

ch4ch4 13y ago
If anyone is wondering, this is Rails for OSX (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1397300529/railsapp https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1397300529/railsapp)
- adrianpike 13y ago
  Two years ago when I backed it, getting Rails up and running was a beast on a fresh OS X install. I just did it again last week, and there's been a ton of progress since then, and it was easy, straightforward, and well-documented. I worry that this is too little, too late.
- jszmajda 13y ago
  More info from Yehuda: http://yehudakatz.com/2012/04/13/tokaido-my-hopes-and-dreams/ http://yehudakatz.com/2012/04/13/tokaido-my-hopes-and-dreams...
Mithaldu 13y ago
This is the least compelling release announcement i remember seeing. At least tell us what it is.
- reledi 13y ago
  Seriously. This project does such an incredible bad job at telling people what it is. The repo name, description, and readme all completely fail at this. You could have built the coolest thing in the world, but it's absolutely worthless if you can't communicate what it is.
  - camus2 13y ago
    Funny how devs can spend hours on building something.But when it comes to writing 3 lines of text to explain what a lib is for,everybody's busy.Dont get me started on docs... I'm not going further to try to figure out what that stuff is for. Good luck with whatever that thing is.
    - ef4 13y ago
      This whole comment thread is completely missing the context. Tokaido was marketed so well that it raised $51,000 on Kickstarter and has been discussed on HN many times, which is why it's not unreasonable to assume people around here know what it means.
d4mi3n 13y ago
This is exciting! It's been a couple years since the original Tokaido announcement. A big challenge in getting the project completed was getting a static version of ruby put together. Glad to see they sorted it out! You can see a better breakdown all the progress they've made since 2012 by looking at the last official update: http://yehudakatz.com/2012/08/06/august-tokaido-update/ http://yehudakatz.com/2012/08/06/august-tokaido-update/
angryasian 13y ago
Just curious as to what the problem this solves. Isn't getting rails as easy as rbenv, installing bundler gem and rails ?
plasticbugs 13y ago
I was able to get a Rails app up and running within 20 seconds of downloading this binary. This is on my work laptop that doesn't even have Rails, homebrew, rvm or RubyGems installed. Very cool. I'm proud to have backed this on Kickstarter. Best $20 I ever spent. Thanks Yehuda! Edit: I should add that getting Rails up and running from zero is still quite painful for beginners. I've seen it when helping others install Rails for the first time.
- davidcelis 13y ago
  Is this really still true? With utilities like ruby-install that also install all of Ruby's OS X dependencies, and bundler, I didn't think it was still so difficult to get Rails up and running.
sergiotapia 13y ago
According to a user here, this is the result from the Kickstarter called Rails.app! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1397300529/railsapp https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1397300529/railsapp I'm not sure what this is though. I was under the impression it would be as simple as installing Postgresql using Postgres.app. Which is literally downloading an .app and copying it into your Application folder. http://postgresapp.com/ http://postgresapp.com/ Want to try this out but don't want to bork my homebrew/rvm/gemset set up. Does this support multiple ruby/rails versions?
- nardi 13y ago
  Tokaido won't bork your setup. It's completely self-contained.
dchuk 13y ago
As a Rails coder on a Mac who uses RVM for managing my apps, is there any reason for me to switch to Tokaido? And if there is a compelling reason to, what would happen if I ran this installer? Massive conflicts or is it all sandboxed or something?
- jzelinskie 13y ago
  I'm pretty sure this was meant for beginners to lower the barrier to entry for getting started. Slightly OT: I thought most people had switched from rvm to rbenv. What's the current situation between these two?
  - dchuk 13y ago
    If I weren't trying to stay up to speed with about two dozen other technologies, I'd have switched to rbenv. RVM works for me and stays out of my way so I'm just leaving it be for now :)
  - halostatue 12y ago
    I've personally switched to chruby because I found rbenv too invasive, too. chruby + ruby-install + ruby-build give me everything I could want. (No, I don't use gemsets. No, I don't think they're a good idea, either.)

26 points by necubi 13y ago

If anyone is wondering, this is Rails for OSX (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1397300529/railsapp https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1397300529/railsapp)

adrianpike 13y ago
Two years ago when I backed it, getting Rails up and running was a beast on a fresh OS X install. I just did it again last week, and there's been a ton of progress since then, and it was easy, straightforward, and well-documented. I worry that this is too little, too late.
jszmajda 13y ago
More info from Yehuda: http://yehudakatz.com/2012/04/13/tokaido-my-hopes-and-dreams/ http://yehudakatz.com/2012/04/13/tokaido-my-hopes-and-dreams...

Mithaldu 13y ago

This is the least compelling release announcement i remember seeing. At least tell us what it is.

reledi 13y ago
Seriously. This project does such an incredible bad job at telling people what it is. The repo name, description, and readme all completely fail at this. You could have built the coolest thing in the world, but it's absolutely worthless if you can't communicate what it is.
- camus2 13y ago
  Funny how devs can spend hours on building something.But when it comes to writing 3 lines of text to explain what a lib is for,everybody's busy.Dont get me started on docs... I'm not going further to try to figure out what that stuff is for. Good luck with whatever that thing is.
  - ef4 13y ago
    This whole comment thread is completely missing the context. Tokaido was marketed so well that it raised $51,000 on Kickstarter and has been discussed on HN many times, which is why it's not unreasonable to assume people around here know what it means.

d4mi3n 13y ago

This is exciting! It's been a couple years since the original Tokaido announcement. A big challenge in getting the project completed was getting a static version of ruby put together. Glad to see they sorted it out! You can see a better breakdown all the progress they've made since 2012 by looking at the last official update: http://yehudakatz.com/2012/08/06/august-tokaido-update/ http://yehudakatz.com/2012/08/06/august-tokaido-update/

angryasian 13y ago

Just curious as to what the problem this solves. Isn't getting rails as easy as rbenv, installing bundler gem and rails ?

plasticbugs 13y ago

I was able to get a Rails app up and running within 20 seconds of downloading this binary. This is on my work laptop that doesn't even have Rails, homebrew, rvm or RubyGems installed. Very cool. I'm proud to have backed this on Kickstarter. Best $20 I ever spent. Thanks Yehuda! Edit: I should add that getting Rails up and running from zero is still quite painful for beginners. I've seen it when helping others install Rails for the first time.

davidcelis 13y ago
Is this really still true? With utilities like ruby-install that also install all of Ruby's OS X dependencies, and bundler, I didn't think it was still so difficult to get Rails up and running.

sergiotapia 13y ago

According to a user here, this is the result from the Kickstarter called Rails.app! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1397300529/railsapp https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1397300529/railsapp I'm not sure what this is though. I was under the impression it would be as simple as installing Postgresql using Postgres.app. Which is literally downloading an .app and copying it into your Application folder. http://postgresapp.com/ http://postgresapp.com/ Want to try this out but don't want to bork my homebrew/rvm/gemset set up. Does this support multiple ruby/rails versions?

nardi 13y ago
Tokaido won't bork your setup. It's completely self-contained.

dchuk 13y ago

As a Rails coder on a Mac who uses RVM for managing my apps, is there any reason for me to switch to Tokaido? And if there is a compelling reason to, what would happen if I ran this installer? Massive conflicts or is it all sandboxed or something?

jzelinskie 13y ago
I'm pretty sure this was meant for beginners to lower the barrier to entry for getting started. Slightly OT: I thought most people had switched from rvm to rbenv. What's the current situation between these two?
- dchuk 13y ago
  If I weren't trying to stay up to speed with about two dozen other technologies, I'd have switched to rbenv. RVM works for me and stays out of my way so I'm just leaving it be for now :)
- halostatue 12y ago
  I've personally switched to chruby because I found rbenv too invasive, too. chruby + ruby-install + ruby-build give me everything I could want. (No, I don't use gemsets. No, I don't think they're a good idea, either.)