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Andreas is the perfect choice for this role. Top notch technical abilities, and very nice human being if you like the "no bullshit" way of doing things. Edit:

Andreas is the perfect choice for this role. Top notch technical abilities, and very nice human being if you like the "no bullshit" way of doing things. Edit: his own post is at http://andreasgal.com/2014/04/24/technical-leadership-at-mozilla/ http://andreasgal.com/2014/04/24/technical-leadership-at-moz...

daeken 13y ago
100% agreed. I had the pleasure of working with Andreas (and you, if you're the Fabrice D. I think you are) on the Boot2Gecko project, and he was a great project leader. He's technically adept, he knows how to work with people, and just gets things done. I'm very optimistic about Mozilla's future with him as CTO.
- hkphooey 13y ago
  I disagree about Mozilla's future. What does it matter if Andreas is technically competent when he has to manage activists rather than programmers?! There are people working at Mozilla today, many of whom are pulling in a decent salary, who believe they are working for social justice charity rather than a technology non-profit. Firefox is the golden goose but they might eventually bankrupt themselves by spending resources on non-core missions, like the GNOME foundation who had to whip out the begging bowl because they spent all their money on a women's outreach program rather than developing technology.
  - ossreality 13y ago
    >There are people working at Mozilla today, many of whom are pulling in a decent salary, who believe they are working for social justice charity rather than a technology non-profit. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah You're an idiot, and I think you even know that you're completely misrepresenting the situation which I guess just makes you a liar.
  - DonHopkins 13y ago
    Are you just as frustrated with Tim Cook for telling global warming deniers that he doesn't want their money? Life is just so unfair, isn't it?
    - ScottBurson 13y ago
      Is this the Don Hopkins who invented pie menus?
      - DonHopkins 13y ago
        Yes, and are you the Gyro who groomed Gregor? And wrote an interactive C compiler for Lisp machines? ;)
        strafer32 13y ago
        Are you also the Don Hopkins being abusive and trolling on the comment threads of Gerv Markham's blog [1]? [1] http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/ http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/
        DonHopkins 13y ago
        Is Gerv Markham the person who ironically claims to be "Hacking for Christ [1]", a religious leader who preached love and acceptance instead of hatred and discrimination [2]? The same Gerv who posted an anti-gay-marriage petition to his blog [3] that was syndicated to the public Planet Mozilla forum, publicly calling on Mozilla community members to support the Coalition for Marriage [4], a homophobic hate group [5] that endorsed the legal codification of marriage in the UK as "the voluntary union for life of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others," [6] by distributing misleading gay marriage leaflets [7]? The same Gerv whose bigoted post to Mozilla's public forum ignited a controversy about what kinds of content Mozilla tolerates on its Web properties, and triggered an internal discussion examining the nature and desirability of community standards for inclusion [8], which set the stage for the reaction to the revelation of Brendan Eich's $1000 donation in support of Proposition 8 [9], which eventually led to his ignoble resignation as CEO of Mozilla [10], and earned him the humiliating endorsement of support and call to arms from Eric Raymond, who threw down the gauntlet by proclaiming: "Then I think it is now the duty of every friend of free speech and every enemy of political bullying to pledge not only to donate $1000 to the next anti-gay-marriage initiative to come along, but to say publicly that they have done so as a protest against bullying." [11] Do you have any problem with giving bullies a taste of their own medicine, by exercising free speech, just like they enjoy? And in what way were my posts abusive, or not factual, or not backed up by references and citation to prove my points? I'd certainly characterize many of the responses from anti-gay-marriage bigots as abusive, Godwinesque trolling, inaccurate and completely unsupported by any facts or citations: "Hey Don: What’s it like being so far up your own ass? John", "See, this is the idiotic propaganda which you people vomit all over the net. What frigging ‘rights’ are you talking about?", "The letter Mozilla should have written. http://t.co/jn2dNNltQY" http://t.co/jn2dNNltQY", "The irony of the current situation is the same people who cry because they are “discriminated minority” think and act like Nazis and they aggressively suppress any dissident.", "The gaystapo controls mozilla, it calls the shots. You are now working for this ugly and inhumane movement.", "The character assassination started with employees of Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla should have acted quickly and fired them. Will they still be employed?", "Are you a professional activist? Because, judging by the propagandist bull you sprout here, you sure sound like one. Eich was not ‘campaigning’ to remove any rights, he donated some money to a campaign to abolish special rights.", "Funny how gays demand tolerance from others, yet have no tolerance with those who disagree with their way of life. And pathetic Mozilla fell for it.", "We simply cannot have a civil society when the hyper sensitive and the perpetually aggrieved are allowed their way.", "I hope Mozilla goes bankrupt. I myself already convinced 150 people to stop using Mozilla on all their devices. ... With a bit of luck, I will have convinced at least 2000 people by the end of this year to stop using Mozilla. Maybe more.", "You on the other hand are way out of line and I think your pursuit of Brendan amounts to a hate crime." [12] So, strafer32, if you think I was being abusive or unreasonable, especially compared to those other people I quoted, you must be nursing quite a persecution complex. Are you the same person who accused me of a hate crime? Since you created your account just two hours ago [13], and since you know my real name, would you please care to share your real name with us? Or are you afraid to stand up for your own beliefs for some reason? [1] http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/hacking-for-christ http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/hacking-for-christ [2] http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_... [3] http://blog.gerv.net/2012/03/coalition-for-marriage-petition/ http://blog.gerv.net/2012/03/coalition-for-marriage-petition... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Marriage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Marriage [5] http://nomaniacs.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/uk-mps-violent-hate-group/ http://nomaniacs.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/uk-mps-violent-hat... [6] http://tim.dreamwidth.org/1761874.html http://tim.dreamwidth.org/1761874.html [7] http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/coalition-for-marriage-misleading-gay-marriage_n_2581712.html?just_reloaded=1 http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/coalition-for-mar... [8] http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/ http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/ [9] http://projects.latimes.com/prop8/donation/8930/ http://projects.latimes.com/prop8/donation/8930/ [10] https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-steps-down-as-mozilla-ceo/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-steps-... [11] http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5651 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5651 [12] http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/ http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/ [13] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=strafer32 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=strafer32
  - bzbarsky 13y ago
    Can you point to an example of a person working for the Mozilla Corporation who believes they're working for a social justice charity?
    - hkphooey 13y ago
      Employees tweeting they want Brendan Eich to resign because his donation to Prop 8 is not in line with Mozilla's mission. The mission to build a free and open web has nothing to do with social issues such as gay marriage.
      - bzbarsky 13y ago
        Can you point to a Mozilla Corporation (not to be confused with Mozilla Foundation) employee who tweeted something like that?
nnethercote 13y ago
Just yesterday I was wondering if the CTO role would eventually be filled, and I figured if the answer was "yes" that Andreas would be the one. He's been involved in the creation of many of Mozilla's recent new projects including Firefox OS, the revamped Firefox for Android, pdf.js, and Shumway.
zobzu 13y ago
i would say that hes a good choice and generally "no bullshit" from bugs/mailing lists reads. There was a funny twitter account with his name that has now been removed which was a satire of his way of handling people. I'm not at mozilla corp. but "very nice" sounds like a stretch. I'm sure mozilla needs positive input right now - but psst :)
wdr1 13y ago
And, equally important as Mozilla, has not expressed a political opinion that is disagreeable.
- ossreality 13y ago
  You mean, Andreas hasn't done things that would actively harm the lives of the people working under him? Sounds like a good thing to me. I don't think you fucking trolls are making the point you think you are.
- DonHopkins 13y ago
  Disagreeable isn't a problem. Bigoted is a problem.
  - joeclark77 13y ago
    The public shaming of Christian and Muslim employees will continue until bigotry has been eliminated...
strafer32 13y ago
Andreas is not a great choice. His people skills are terrible. They are so bad that he no longer writes his own emails to employees. They have to go through a PA to make sure they have a human element. The @RealAndreasGal twitter account that was recently deleted was so amusing because the things that it said were exactly on point. Same with the 'ShitGalSays' Tumblr account which is still around: http://shitgalsays.com/ http://shitgalsays.com/ Andreas is strongly pro-whatever partners want in Firefox OS. Expect DRM and other forms of lockdown to start appearing under his rule. He has no interest in the Mozilla mission.
- DonHopkins 13y ago
  Are you also the strafer32 who just created an account three hours ago to badmouth the new CEO of Mozilla and troll on the comment threads of Hacker News [1]? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=strafer32 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=strafer32
  - strafer32 13y ago
    I have not badmouthed the new CEO Mozilla at all. This is a thread about the new CTO. Note that I don't criticize the new CTO for his religious or other beliefs. I criticize him for not having the people skills to perform his job. Given the age of your account and the contents of your comments I don't think you're one to throw stones.
teacup50 13y ago
I'm not convinced a web insider was the right choice. The web desperately needs some new thinking -- people that don't believe the technology clock stopped in 1995 with the big hand stuck on "JavaScript" and little hand on "HTML".

daeken 13y ago

100% agreed. I had the pleasure of working with Andreas (and you, if you're the Fabrice D. I think you are) on the Boot2Gecko project, and he was a great project leader. He's technically adept, he knows how to work with people, and just gets things done. I'm very optimistic about Mozilla's future with him as CTO.

hkphooey 13y ago
I disagree about Mozilla's future. What does it matter if Andreas is technically competent when he has to manage activists rather than programmers?! There are people working at Mozilla today, many of whom are pulling in a decent salary, who believe they are working for social justice charity rather than a technology non-profit. Firefox is the golden goose but they might eventually bankrupt themselves by spending resources on non-core missions, like the GNOME foundation who had to whip out the begging bowl because they spent all their money on a women's outreach program rather than developing technology.
- ossreality 13y ago
  >There are people working at Mozilla today, many of whom are pulling in a decent salary, who believe they are working for social justice charity rather than a technology non-profit. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah You're an idiot, and I think you even know that you're completely misrepresenting the situation which I guess just makes you a liar.
- DonHopkins 13y ago
  Are you just as frustrated with Tim Cook for telling global warming deniers that he doesn't want their money? Life is just so unfair, isn't it?
  - ScottBurson 13y ago
    Is this the Don Hopkins who invented pie menus?
    - DonHopkins 13y ago
      Yes, and are you the Gyro who groomed Gregor? And wrote an interactive C compiler for Lisp machines? ;)
      - strafer32 13y ago
        Are you also the Don Hopkins being abusive and trolling on the comment threads of Gerv Markham's blog [1]? [1] http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/ http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/
        DonHopkins 13y ago
        Is Gerv Markham the person who ironically claims to be "Hacking for Christ [1]", a religious leader who preached love and acceptance instead of hatred and discrimination [2]? The same Gerv who posted an anti-gay-marriage petition to his blog [3] that was syndicated to the public Planet Mozilla forum, publicly calling on Mozilla community members to support the Coalition for Marriage [4], a homophobic hate group [5] that endorsed the legal codification of marriage in the UK as "the voluntary union for life of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others," [6] by distributing misleading gay marriage leaflets [7]? The same Gerv whose bigoted post to Mozilla's public forum ignited a controversy about what kinds of content Mozilla tolerates on its Web properties, and triggered an internal discussion examining the nature and desirability of community standards for inclusion [8], which set the stage for the reaction to the revelation of Brendan Eich's $1000 donation in support of Proposition 8 [9], which eventually led to his ignoble resignation as CEO of Mozilla [10], and earned him the humiliating endorsement of support and call to arms from Eric Raymond, who threw down the gauntlet by proclaiming: "Then I think it is now the duty of every friend of free speech and every enemy of political bullying to pledge not only to donate $1000 to the next anti-gay-marriage initiative to come along, but to say publicly that they have done so as a protest against bullying." [11] Do you have any problem with giving bullies a taste of their own medicine, by exercising free speech, just like they enjoy? And in what way were my posts abusive, or not factual, or not backed up by references and citation to prove my points? I'd certainly characterize many of the responses from anti-gay-marriage bigots as abusive, Godwinesque trolling, inaccurate and completely unsupported by any facts or citations: "Hey Don: What’s it like being so far up your own ass? John", "See, this is the idiotic propaganda which you people vomit all over the net. What frigging ‘rights’ are you talking about?", "The letter Mozilla should have written. http://t.co/jn2dNNltQY" http://t.co/jn2dNNltQY", "The irony of the current situation is the same people who cry because they are “discriminated minority” think and act like Nazis and they aggressively suppress any dissident.", "The gaystapo controls mozilla, it calls the shots. You are now working for this ugly and inhumane movement.", "The character assassination started with employees of Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla should have acted quickly and fired them. Will they still be employed?", "Are you a professional activist? Because, judging by the propagandist bull you sprout here, you sure sound like one. Eich was not ‘campaigning’ to remove any rights, he donated some money to a campaign to abolish special rights.", "Funny how gays demand tolerance from others, yet have no tolerance with those who disagree with their way of life. And pathetic Mozilla fell for it.", "We simply cannot have a civil society when the hyper sensitive and the perpetually aggrieved are allowed their way.", "I hope Mozilla goes bankrupt. I myself already convinced 150 people to stop using Mozilla on all their devices. ... With a bit of luck, I will have convinced at least 2000 people by the end of this year to stop using Mozilla. Maybe more.", "You on the other hand are way out of line and I think your pursuit of Brendan amounts to a hate crime." [12] So, strafer32, if you think I was being abusive or unreasonable, especially compared to those other people I quoted, you must be nursing quite a persecution complex. Are you the same person who accused me of a hate crime? Since you created your account just two hours ago [13], and since you know my real name, would you please care to share your real name with us? Or are you afraid to stand up for your own beliefs for some reason? [1] http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/hacking-for-christ http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/hacking-for-christ [2] http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_couple.html http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/gay_... [3] http://blog.gerv.net/2012/03/coalition-for-marriage-petition/ http://blog.gerv.net/2012/03/coalition-for-marriage-petition... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Marriage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_for_Marriage [5] http://nomaniacs.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/uk-mps-violent-hate-group/ http://nomaniacs.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/uk-mps-violent-hat... [6] http://tim.dreamwidth.org/1761874.html http://tim.dreamwidth.org/1761874.html [7] http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/coalition-for-marriage-misleading-gay-marriage_n_2581712.html?just_reloaded=1 http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/coalition-for-mar... [8] http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/ http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.governance/ [9] http://projects.latimes.com/prop8/donation/8930/ http://projects.latimes.com/prop8/donation/8930/ [10] https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-steps-down-as-mozilla-ceo/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-steps-... [11] http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5651 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5651 [12] http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/ http://blog.gerv.net/2014/04/your-ire-is-misdirected/ [13] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=strafer32 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=strafer32
- bzbarsky 13y ago
  Can you point to an example of a person working for the Mozilla Corporation who believes they're working for a social justice charity?
  - hkphooey 13y ago
    Employees tweeting they want Brendan Eich to resign because his donation to Prop 8 is not in line with Mozilla's mission. The mission to build a free and open web has nothing to do with social issues such as gay marriage.
    - bzbarsky 13y ago
      Can you point to a Mozilla Corporation (not to be confused with Mozilla Foundation) employee who tweeted something like that?

nnethercote 13y ago

Just yesterday I was wondering if the CTO role would eventually be filled, and I figured if the answer was "yes" that Andreas would be the one. He's been involved in the creation of many of Mozilla's recent new projects including Firefox OS, the revamped Firefox for Android, pdf.js, and Shumway.

zobzu 13y ago

i would say that hes a good choice and generally "no bullshit" from bugs/mailing lists reads. There was a funny twitter account with his name that has now been removed which was a satire of his way of handling people. I'm not at mozilla corp. but "very nice" sounds like a stretch. I'm sure mozilla needs positive input right now - but psst :)

wdr1 13y ago

And, equally important as Mozilla, has not expressed a political opinion that is disagreeable.

ossreality 13y ago
You mean, Andreas hasn't done things that would actively harm the lives of the people working under him? Sounds like a good thing to me. I don't think you fucking trolls are making the point you think you are.
DonHopkins 13y ago
Disagreeable isn't a problem. Bigoted is a problem.
- joeclark77 13y ago
  The public shaming of Christian and Muslim employees will continue until bigotry has been eliminated...

strafer32 13y ago

Andreas is not a great choice. His people skills are terrible. They are so bad that he no longer writes his own emails to employees. They have to go through a PA to make sure they have a human element. The @RealAndreasGal twitter account that was recently deleted was so amusing because the things that it said were exactly on point. Same with the 'ShitGalSays' Tumblr account which is still around: http://shitgalsays.com/ http://shitgalsays.com/ Andreas is strongly pro-whatever partners want in Firefox OS. Expect DRM and other forms of lockdown to start appearing under his rule. He has no interest in the Mozilla mission.

DonHopkins 13y ago
Are you also the strafer32 who just created an account three hours ago to badmouth the new CEO of Mozilla and troll on the comment threads of Hacker News [1]? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=strafer32 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=strafer32
- strafer32 13y ago
  I have not badmouthed the new CEO Mozilla at all. This is a thread about the new CTO. Note that I don't criticize the new CTO for his religious or other beliefs. I criticize him for not having the people skills to perform his job. Given the age of your account and the contents of your comments I don't think you're one to throw stones.

teacup50 13y ago

I'm not convinced a web insider was the right choice. The web desperately needs some new thinking -- people that don't believe the technology clock stopped in 1995 with the big hand stuck on "JavaScript" and little hand on "HTML".