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I'd be worried that if I hired her and she ran into trouble with other employees that couldn't be resolved to her satisfaction, that I and my company would be e

by gregd 12y ago

I'd be worried that if I hired her and she ran into trouble with other employees that couldn't be resolved to her satisfaction, that I and my company would be ensnarled in this kind of PR mess too. And yet you make no mention of existing employees on the payroll who contribute to this type of misogynistic behavior in the first place? You're not "worried" about that?

trustfundbaby 12y ago
> And yet you make no mention of existing employees on the payroll who contribute to this type of misogynistic behavior in the first place? You're not "worried" about that? not at my fictional company, no :) On a serious note, I was just making a tangential point, it doesn't minimize the really crappy things that she went through, and without equating the two I think its worthwhile to point out that Ms Horvath might not be going about this in the best way.
- gregd 12y ago
  Ms Horvath might not be going about this in the best way. But you see, I believe this is part of the inherent problem we have in IT. We make assumptions about the behavior and motivations of someone after this happens to them AND we're putting limitations on their behavior afterward without addressing the root cause. I was curious to know why you specifically mentioned that it would be hard for her to get a job and didn't specifically mention that it would be hard for the people she named/shamed to get jobs.
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crashandburn4 12y ago
Out of interest, which misogynistic behaviour is it that you're talking about? I'm not disagreeing just asking for clarification as I've found it hard to determine facts in the matter. The only misogynistic behaviour that I've really been able to glean from the situation is the staff watching some of the female employees hula hoop (which I do agree could make people uncomfortable and am not condoning). Other than that as far as I've understood it she had a spat with the founders wife, who was (possibly unintentionally) pressuring her into doing work outside of her responsibilities, had a spat with a coworker (who may have been an ex) who (might've) acted inappropriately and she may have spread a rumour about tom preston warner. That's all I've been able to glean from what I've read and only one thing seems misogynistic (the hula-hooping, which really depends on the situation, though all seem inappropriate), so I'd be interested for someone elses summary of events to see how well I've understood the situation/what I might've missed.

by gregd 12y ago

trustfundbaby 12y ago

> And yet you make no mention of existing employees on the payroll who contribute to this type of misogynistic behavior in the first place? You're not "worried" about that? not at my fictional company, no :) On a serious note, I was just making a tangential point, it doesn't minimize the really crappy things that she went through, and without equating the two I think its worthwhile to point out that Ms Horvath might not be going about this in the best way.

gregd 12y ago
Ms Horvath might not be going about this in the best way. But you see, I believe this is part of the inherent problem we have in IT. We make assumptions about the behavior and motivations of someone after this happens to them AND we're putting limitations on their behavior afterward without addressing the root cause. I was curious to know why you specifically mentioned that it would be hard for her to get a job and didn't specifically mention that it would be hard for the people she named/shamed to get jobs.
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crashandburn4 12y ago

Out of interest, which misogynistic behaviour is it that you're talking about? I'm not disagreeing just asking for clarification as I've found it hard to determine facts in the matter. The only misogynistic behaviour that I've really been able to glean from the situation is the staff watching some of the female employees hula hoop (which I do agree could make people uncomfortable and am not condoning). Other than that as far as I've understood it she had a spat with the founders wife, who was (possibly unintentionally) pressuring her into doing work outside of her responsibilities, had a spat with a coworker (who may have been an ex) who (might've) acted inappropriately and she may have spread a rumour about tom preston warner. That's all I've been able to glean from what I've read and only one thing seems misogynistic (the hula-hooping, which really depends on the situation, though all seem inappropriate), so I'd be interested for someone elses summary of events to see how well I've understood the situation/what I might've missed.