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> There's nothing wrong with a world where : > "We need you to work this weekend" > "No thanks, see you Monday" > Is perfectly reasonable. This is likely to

> There's nothing wrong with a world where : > "We need you to work this weekend" > "No thanks, see you Monday" > Is perfectly reasonable. This is likely to lead to another conversation later in the year: "Why did John get the promotion I was up for?" "He provided more value to the company by working those two weekends when we were delivering to our most valuable customer." Do you consider that reasonable as well?

AlexandrB 12y ago
> Do you consider that reasonable as well? Yes, assuming the employer considering actual output when they talk about "value" and not "seat time". Otherwise the next conversation is: "Good for him, I'm starting at B co. in two weeks." Also one of the most reliable ways to get better positions & pay appears to change jobs, suggesting your scenario is just a carrot on a stick that rarely happens in practice.
- logfromblammo 12y ago
  I have never seen a single one of my co-workers promoted into a better position, ever, after more than 12 years in the industry. No one. Ever. And that group numbers in the hundreds. The hypothetical scenario is completely bogus.
  - Spooky23 12y ago
    That sounds pretty awful! I've never worked anywhere that promotions were just not given. And I'm including retail/fast food jobs from high school!
    - logfromblammo 12y ago
      I would have expected that career paths in software development would emerge as the industry matures. Instead I have seen promotion paths vanishing, even in older lines of work. The companies where you can work your way up from entry level to executive are disappearing. The only one I am actually aware of that still promotes from within, even up to the top levels, is Publix.
praptak 12y ago
Belgium and most other EU countries have pretty strict labor code. This prevents both the overeager Johns and their employers from setting up the race to the bottom where everybody has to work on weekends just not to fall behind. So this conversation of yours would probably end in an investigation from the labor office to check whether John didn't cross the limits and was compensated fairly for the overtime.
SixSigma 12y ago
If all that discriminates you from another employee is the weekend's work then you don't deserve promotion anyway.

AlexandrB 12y ago

> Do you consider that reasonable as well? Yes, assuming the employer considering actual output when they talk about "value" and not "seat time". Otherwise the next conversation is: "Good for him, I'm starting at B co. in two weeks." Also one of the most reliable ways to get better positions & pay appears to change jobs, suggesting your scenario is just a carrot on a stick that rarely happens in practice.

logfromblammo 12y ago
I have never seen a single one of my co-workers promoted into a better position, ever, after more than 12 years in the industry. No one. Ever. And that group numbers in the hundreds. The hypothetical scenario is completely bogus.
- Spooky23 12y ago
  That sounds pretty awful! I've never worked anywhere that promotions were just not given. And I'm including retail/fast food jobs from high school!
  - logfromblammo 12y ago
    I would have expected that career paths in software development would emerge as the industry matures. Instead I have seen promotion paths vanishing, even in older lines of work. The companies where you can work your way up from entry level to executive are disappearing. The only one I am actually aware of that still promotes from within, even up to the top levels, is Publix.

praptak 12y ago

Belgium and most other EU countries have pretty strict labor code. This prevents both the overeager Johns and their employers from setting up the race to the bottom where everybody has to work on weekends just not to fall behind. So this conversation of yours would probably end in an investigation from the labor office to check whether John didn't cross the limits and was compensated fairly for the overtime.

SixSigma 12y ago

If all that discriminates you from another employee is the weekend's work then you don't deserve promotion anyway.