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IMO the idea is about the capability of "automation, reproducible system config systems", not who should do what.

• stephenr 12y ago
  I agree with the first part but the last part (who should do what) is still relevant. The majority of developers I have met and worked with have a cursory knowledge of infrastructure/server management at best. That is not a criticism against them at all. But I still wouldn't trust most of them to configure infrastructure outside a local/dev/"sandbox" environment. You wouldn't rely on a HTML template file that your graphic designer created with Photoshop -> Export to Dreamweaver would you?
  • gnepzhao 12y ago
    No. But that's a problem to be solved with how we leverage the tool, not the tool itself.
    • stephenr 12y ago
      Right, but as I said in the other thread - if someone wants to work in Ops/Ops-ish, but can't learn a recipe/packaging system, I doubt a GUI tool is going to improve the results.
      • tbronchain 12y ago
        Hi Stephen. We understand your opinion, as I replied to someone else before, there are different ways to take the problem, and one of our biggest challenge is to make the learning easier without breaking the knowledge. I would just add that VisualOps isn't just a GUI tool. We have spent a lot of time to adapt SaltStack source code to something we think to be the right approach. Also, more features are on the way, and we count on your support to bring them to life! Check out our public roadmap board for more details (you're welcome to vote for your favorite ones): https://trello.com/b/wQdmsmp0/madeira-idea https://trello.com/b/wQdmsmp0/madeira-idea