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I'm critical of atheism, because it is itself a religious belief and those that believe and evangelize it refuse to recognize it as a religion in and of itself.

I'm critical of atheism, because it is itself a religious belief and those that believe and evangelize it refuse to recognize it as a religion in and of itself. I live in the U.S. where the country was built by those that wanted freedom of religion.

danbruc 12y ago
Atheism is a belief but not a religious belief.
- afhdshufdufdo 12y ago
  Religion is defined as, 'The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.' Notice the word "especially". Scientology is based on the idea of what some might call aliens having superhuman powers. In atheism, a number of superhuman powers, i.e. things that humans cannot do, are ascribed to science- even though there is nothing that disallows that God could be involved in everything from the big bang to evolution, somehow the Big Bang and Evolution take on a life of their own, without full understanding of them. Darwin takes the place of a prophet, although Darwin himself was not an atheist [1] and said, "Science has nothing to do with Christ, except insofar as the habit of scientific research makes a man cautious in admitting evidence." Faith and science can co-exist, but atheism has a belief that they can't. They put up billboards, organize, take donations, have musical rallies at military bases with atheist songs, and pass out literature like evangelical religions. And they are as intolerant and unaccepting as well. I find them quite obnoxious, but atheism is a religion, therefore according to our freedom of religion, it must be allowed, but it should be allowed along with the free practice of any other religion in any place, at any time, in any public place. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_Darwin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_Darw...
  - gonvaled 12y ago
    "Faith and science can co-exist, but atheism has a belief that they can't." Of course they can co-exist, and atheism has nothing to say against religion: religion, by definition, is non-falsifiable, so atheism can not negate it. Atheism is, nevertheless, very sceptical about the actual existence of a supreme being. It can't prove its non-existence, but still considers it as veeeery improbable. As "there are a million reasons which explain why we believe in god which are much more probable than the fact that god exists". So yes, you can accept science and religion, but accepting the later can not be based on reason (because there is no logical method to disprove the existence of god)
    - dllthomas 12y ago
      Words have shifted a bit. In the strictest possible senses, "It's not possible to know for sure" is an agnostic position and the atheistic position would be either "I believe there is no god, whatever the evidence" or "I believe there is no god, here is the evidence". These strict uses sometimes confuse more typical uses, where "probably not, because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to make 'there is any sort of a god' more likely than other options" is called "atheist" and "shrug I dunno" falls under "agnostic".
      - gonvaled 12y ago
        There are lots of atheism and agnostic variations. Actually an agnostic can be also an atheist (or a theist, by the way). But here you have a nice explanation: http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/Atheist_vs_Agnostic http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/Atheist_vs_Agnostic As explained in the link, there are two kind of atheists: gnostic-atheists (strong-atheists) and agnostic-atheists (weak-atheists) In my opinion, since proving the existence/non-existence of gods (and spaghetti monsters, and pink unicorns) is impossible, gnostic-atheism is untenable (in the same sense that gnostic-theism is untenable). But, and I think this what matters for an atheist to identify as such, the fact that the non-existence of god can not be proved does not make it an important subject. It is just one of those things that can not be proved or disproved (by construction), and has no more relevance that the orbiting of a tea pot around the sun. EDIT: actually, I stand corrected by this very interesting article and I will stick to the Sagan Plausability Scale for these discussions: http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2013/08/20/why-the-famous-atheism-vs-agnosticism-chart-is-wrong/ http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2013/08/20/why-the-fam...
        dllthomas 12y ago
        I want to be clear that I don't think it is in any way unreasonable to use "atheist" to mean "I don't think God is any more likely than Russell's teapot", just that this isn't always what it is used to mean and the two meanings are sometimes confused/conflated.
        12y ago
  - Alex3917 12y ago
    > Religion is defined as, 'The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.' No it's not. Your entire argument is based on a false premise.
  - donkeyd 12y ago
    "Darwin takes the place of a prophet" Wait, what? As an atheist, I never realized I believe in and worship Darwin as a superhuman controlling power. Thanks for pointing this out to me! I'll make sure to put a Darwinian altar in my house and pray to it daily, for giving me food to eat and keeping my family members healthy! Also, talking about the actions of a small number of atheists, as if you're talking about all atheists, is just as ignorant as calling out all Christians for the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church. Well done, for confirming the prejudice of narrow mindedness that both your fellow countrymen and fellow Christians already have to deal with.
    - dllthomas 12y ago
      "Superhuman controlling power" seems more "deity" than "prophet".
- gonvaled 12y ago
  Atheism is not a belief: it is a non-belief.
mullingitover 12y ago
> I live in the U.S. where the country was built by those that wanted freedom of religion. That's a bit of a stretch. In Puritan New England, worshipping anything other than the Christian God was a capital offence.

danbruc 12y ago

Atheism is a belief but not a religious belief.

afhdshufdufdo 12y ago
Religion is defined as, 'The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.' Notice the word "especially". Scientology is based on the idea of what some might call aliens having superhuman powers. In atheism, a number of superhuman powers, i.e. things that humans cannot do, are ascribed to science- even though there is nothing that disallows that God could be involved in everything from the big bang to evolution, somehow the Big Bang and Evolution take on a life of their own, without full understanding of them. Darwin takes the place of a prophet, although Darwin himself was not an atheist [1] and said, "Science has nothing to do with Christ, except insofar as the habit of scientific research makes a man cautious in admitting evidence." Faith and science can co-exist, but atheism has a belief that they can't. They put up billboards, organize, take donations, have musical rallies at military bases with atheist songs, and pass out literature like evangelical religions. And they are as intolerant and unaccepting as well. I find them quite obnoxious, but atheism is a religion, therefore according to our freedom of religion, it must be allowed, but it should be allowed along with the free practice of any other religion in any place, at any time, in any public place. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_Darwin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_Darw...
- gonvaled 12y ago
  "Faith and science can co-exist, but atheism has a belief that they can't." Of course they can co-exist, and atheism has nothing to say against religion: religion, by definition, is non-falsifiable, so atheism can not negate it. Atheism is, nevertheless, very sceptical about the actual existence of a supreme being. It can't prove its non-existence, but still considers it as veeeery improbable. As "there are a million reasons which explain why we believe in god which are much more probable than the fact that god exists". So yes, you can accept science and religion, but accepting the later can not be based on reason (because there is no logical method to disprove the existence of god)
  - dllthomas 12y ago
    Words have shifted a bit. In the strictest possible senses, "It's not possible to know for sure" is an agnostic position and the atheistic position would be either "I believe there is no god, whatever the evidence" or "I believe there is no god, here is the evidence". These strict uses sometimes confuse more typical uses, where "probably not, because I haven't seen sufficient evidence to make 'there is any sort of a god' more likely than other options" is called "atheist" and "shrug I dunno" falls under "agnostic".
    - gonvaled 12y ago
      There are lots of atheism and agnostic variations. Actually an agnostic can be also an atheist (or a theist, by the way). But here you have a nice explanation: http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/Atheist_vs_Agnostic http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/Atheist_vs_Agnostic As explained in the link, there are two kind of atheists: gnostic-atheists (strong-atheists) and agnostic-atheists (weak-atheists) In my opinion, since proving the existence/non-existence of gods (and spaghetti monsters, and pink unicorns) is impossible, gnostic-atheism is untenable (in the same sense that gnostic-theism is untenable). But, and I think this what matters for an atheist to identify as such, the fact that the non-existence of god can not be proved does not make it an important subject. It is just one of those things that can not be proved or disproved (by construction), and has no more relevance that the orbiting of a tea pot around the sun. EDIT: actually, I stand corrected by this very interesting article and I will stick to the Sagan Plausability Scale for these discussions: http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2013/08/20/why-the-famous-atheism-vs-agnosticism-chart-is-wrong/ http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2013/08/20/why-the-fam...
      - dllthomas 12y ago
        I want to be clear that I don't think it is in any way unreasonable to use "atheist" to mean "I don't think God is any more likely than Russell's teapot", just that this isn't always what it is used to mean and the two meanings are sometimes confused/conflated.
        12y ago
- Alex3917 12y ago
  > Religion is defined as, 'The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.' No it's not. Your entire argument is based on a false premise.
- donkeyd 12y ago
  "Darwin takes the place of a prophet" Wait, what? As an atheist, I never realized I believe in and worship Darwin as a superhuman controlling power. Thanks for pointing this out to me! I'll make sure to put a Darwinian altar in my house and pray to it daily, for giving me food to eat and keeping my family members healthy! Also, talking about the actions of a small number of atheists, as if you're talking about all atheists, is just as ignorant as calling out all Christians for the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church. Well done, for confirming the prejudice of narrow mindedness that both your fellow countrymen and fellow Christians already have to deal with.
  - dllthomas 12y ago
    "Superhuman controlling power" seems more "deity" than "prophet".
gonvaled 12y ago
Atheism is not a belief: it is a non-belief.

mullingitover 12y ago

> I live in the U.S. where the country was built by those that wanted freedom of religion. That's a bit of a stretch. In Puritan New England, worshipping anything other than the Christian God was a capital offence.