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A very insightful article. In my experience though, having studied both; and also from a friend who is moderately fluent in both; I believe Japanese is more dif
by byuu 13y ago
A very insightful article. In my experience though, having studied both; and also from a friend who is moderately fluent in both; I believe Japanese is more difficult than Chinese.
When it comes to the writing system, a Chinese character can have one pronunciation (two in very rare exceptions.) A Japanese character can have ten takes on how to pronounce the Chinese reading (onyomi), and be hammered into another ten Japanese-native words and verbs (kunyomi), and six ways they can be pronounced in names that your IME will refuse to ever recognize (nanori). The problem of not knowing how to pronounce what you are reading is made far worse in Japanese. With the one nice exception that material designed for young children sometimes have the syllables written above the characters for reference (furigana.)
Next up you have the SOV writing style instead of SVO. So unless you enjoy thinking and speaking like Yoda, you get to flip entire sentences in your head. In real-time.
And then you have particles that can mean a hundred different things based on context. Even some native speakers tend to have no idea when to use 'wa' or 'ga', it just becomes instinctual after a lifetime of language use.
Next, there's the verb conjugations. "They're simple, there's only one polite form, a handful of plain forms, and the two irregular verb forms!" ... and then they add on about a thousand possible verb endings that imply different meanings (-tai = to want, -takereba = to not want, -zu ni = another negative form like -nai but slightly more polite, etc.) And then you get the fun of stacking them! -saserareru (to be forced to do something) + -zu ni -> -saserarezu. And then you can extend that to be in the passive form, or to have it occur in the past ... and then you can just outright fuse two verbs together to form new ones! Tsuku + Nukeru -> Tsukinukeru + all your verb endings above = aneurysm to decipher in real-time conversation.
Then you have the polite language system (keigo, or alternate ways to say just about everything based on who you are talking to) where you have to practice for years before you won't either sound like a school girl or offend someone.
There are other hard parts (regional dialects, classical forms, synonyms, etc), but since Chinese shares them, I omit them here.
The big red herring is the two syllabic alphabets, hiragana and katakana. Those are very easy. But they do become a nightmare from hell when you are faced with a script that has no kanji at all (like older video games.) The synonym problem, on a scale of 1 to 10, goes from a 12 to a 50.
When I look at Chinese ... the biggest negative it has over Japanese, is that it's intensely more difficult in spoken form than Japanese. It's very hard to hear and reproduce the tonal marks correctly, yet that can completely change the meaning of words. And with so many similar sounds, you end up with poems like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-Eating_Poet_in_the_Stone_Den http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-Eating_Poet_in_the_Stone_D...
Despite a lot of differences between how the Chinese and Japanese use the same characters, and in fact characters that only exist in one or the other ... horrifyingly, I find that I understand more when playing a Chinese game than a Japanese game, despite having studied Chinese for less than 1/20th as much as I have studied Japanese.
- cm2012 13y agoOne note: Korean is soo much easier. The alphabet is uber phonetic, and there's much fewer tenses than English (it's generally obvious in context what you mean).
- underlines 13y agoThai is strictly phonetic as well, with only 44 consonants and some easy vowel constructs. I and many others mastered the script in a week. Tones are easy after you learned your first tonal language as well. I am tending to learn Korean and not Chinese because the Chinese logographs are pointlessly making the whole learning process unrewardingly slow. I like tonal languages but I also like phonetic scripts like Thai or Korean. Why did the PDRC abandon Bopomofo :( It would make it so much more fun to learn Mandarin or other Chinese languages! Or let's use IPA for every language. Semantics would be lost, and a mandarin text couldn't be understand by a cantonese speaker, but I don't care. (Just kidding)
- hackerboos 13y ago>Thai is strictly phonetic as well There are exceptions though...
- byuu 13y agoWell there's always hanja, but I know 99.99% of Korean is written in hangul (beautiful system, by the way.) The only major downside I see to Korean is that it joins only Japanese and Mongolian in being an SOV language. "As for the store, father regarding, milk buy to went." >_<
- cageface 13y agoI've been learning Vietnamese for about three years now. In many ways it's a fairly easy language to learn. The grammar is very simple and it uses the Latin alphabet. But learning to hear and speak the various tones has been a real struggle. Even now I still have a hard time picking them out and carefully enunciating them. It doesn't help that there's a huge amount of regional variation in pronunciation and vocabulary. I've had to work hard to unlearn some habits from English, particularly raising my tone slightly at the end of sentences.