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Can anyone tell what exact discrimination Horvath faced? I went through her long interview and I can only read how she "felt" to be in "boys club" as opposed to

by sytelus 13y ago

Can anyone tell what exact discrimination Horvath faced? I went through her long interview and I can only read how she "felt" to be in "boys club" as opposed to specific events that can be qualified as discrimination. For example, she says her code was reverted and was apparently blaming that event on her being a women. I can't imagine someone throwing good code away because it was written by a women rather it seems much more likely that her code had issues. Then there is series of rambling for founders wife sitting in front of her every day. That doesn't feel like discrimination either but rather feels like she was not looked upon as desirable employee there at higher level. Overall I got an impression that she was turning whatever bad performance on her part in to case of discrimination. May be I'm missing details but it is very hard to identify events that can actually be qualified as "discrimination" in her long rambling interview.

bitlord_219 13y ago
You're missing details. I'd list them, but it'd be easier for you to just read her interview again, this time without skimming.
malandrew 13y ago
It would be fascinating to see the commit in question. If the commit has technical merit and should not have been reverted, why would you not focus on demonstrating why the technical merit of the commit in question? Claiming that a commit was reverted for personal reasons instead of defending the technical merits of the commit strikes me as naïve. A highly competent person who has produced some work product that was challenged would typically either defend it on merit or assume they might have produced a lesser work and seek to understand why. My experience in all areas of competence I'm familiar with is that histrionics like those observed thus far are often comorbid with demonstration of the Dunning-Kruger effect in inexperienced individuals. Zed Shaw is one of the few people I can think of that would be a counterpoint to this observation, demonstrating high competence when acting histrionically. You can just look at his contributions to open-source to see how good he is at what he does. JAH's github profile (for an engineer that worked there for a long time) seems conspicuously sparse to me. There really aren't many projects there to demonstrate superior mastery of HTML, CSS or git. https://github.com/nrrrdcore?tab=repositories https://github.com/nrrrdcore?tab=repositories Looking further, like at her blog repo. There are .DS_Store files committed (which would normally be in a local .gitignore or in your home folder .gitignore file) and the first file I clicked on the in CSS folder has Jekyll ruby errors printed to it: https://github.com/nrrrdcore/nrrrdcore.github.com/tree/master/css https://github.com/nrrrdcore/nrrrdcore.github.com/tree/maste... (DS_Store file from 2 years ago still there) https://github.com/nrrrdcore/nrrrdcore.github.com/blob/master/css/base.scss https://github.com/nrrrdcore/nrrrdcore.github.com/blob/maste... (broken blog post is 6 months old) Assuming this is representative of the quality of her commits, Occam's Razor suggest competence may be the reason for reverting the that css commit.
- jdefarge 13y ago
  Exactly! I had the curiosity to check JAH's github profile too, and it raised more suspicious towards her than I had previously imagined. For a fair comparison, let's see a couple of female github repos (both frontend and backend): https://github.com/pamelafox?tab=repositories https://github.com/pamelafox?tab=repositories https://github.com/kellabyte?tab=repositories https://github.com/kellabyte?tab=repositories https://github.com/gwenshap?tab=repositories https://github.com/gwenshap?tab=repositories See? Any of those smart women above has much more quality code in their repos with regular activity, even though not any of them works at github, that is, they push code on their free time. Finally, let's see a repo by another harassed geek girl: https://github.com/adriarichards?tab=repositories https://github.com/adriarichards?tab=repositories Um... I definitely see a pattern here screaming too loud not to take notice.
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  - malandrew 13y ago
    Exactly. This whole situation reminds me of this excellent article by Susan Sons in Linux Journal, that everyone with an opinion on gender and software should read. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/girls-and-software http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/girls-and-software

by sytelus 13y ago

bitlord_219 13y ago

You're missing details. I'd list them, but it'd be easier for you to just read her interview again, this time without skimming.

malandrew 13y ago

It would be fascinating to see the commit in question. If the commit has technical merit and should not have been reverted, why would you not focus on demonstrating why the technical merit of the commit in question? Claiming that a commit was reverted for personal reasons instead of defending the technical merits of the commit strikes me as naïve. A highly competent person who has produced some work product that was challenged would typically either defend it on merit or assume they might have produced a lesser work and seek to understand why. My experience in all areas of competence I'm familiar with is that histrionics like those observed thus far are often comorbid with demonstration of the Dunning-Kruger effect in inexperienced individuals. Zed Shaw is one of the few people I can think of that would be a counterpoint to this observation, demonstrating high competence when acting histrionically. You can just look at his contributions to open-source to see how good he is at what he does. JAH's github profile (for an engineer that worked there for a long time) seems conspicuously sparse to me. There really aren't many projects there to demonstrate superior mastery of HTML, CSS or git. https://github.com/nrrrdcore?tab=repositories https://github.com/nrrrdcore?tab=repositories Looking further, like at her blog repo. There are .DS_Store files committed (which would normally be in a local .gitignore or in your home folder .gitignore file) and the first file I clicked on the in CSS folder has Jekyll ruby errors printed to it: https://github.com/nrrrdcore/nrrrdcore.github.com/tree/master/css https://github.com/nrrrdcore/nrrrdcore.github.com/tree/maste... (DS_Store file from 2 years ago still there) https://github.com/nrrrdcore/nrrrdcore.github.com/blob/master/css/base.scss https://github.com/nrrrdcore/nrrrdcore.github.com/blob/maste... (broken blog post is 6 months old) Assuming this is representative of the quality of her commits, Occam's Razor suggest competence may be the reason for reverting the that css commit.

jdefarge 13y ago
Exactly! I had the curiosity to check JAH's github profile too, and it raised more suspicious towards her than I had previously imagined. For a fair comparison, let's see a couple of female github repos (both frontend and backend): https://github.com/pamelafox?tab=repositories https://github.com/pamelafox?tab=repositories https://github.com/kellabyte?tab=repositories https://github.com/kellabyte?tab=repositories https://github.com/gwenshap?tab=repositories https://github.com/gwenshap?tab=repositories See? Any of those smart women above has much more quality code in their repos with regular activity, even though not any of them works at github, that is, they push code on their free time. Finally, let's see a repo by another harassed geek girl: https://github.com/adriarichards?tab=repositories https://github.com/adriarichards?tab=repositories Um... I definitely see a pattern here screaming too loud not to take notice.
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- malandrew 13y ago
  Exactly. This whole situation reminds me of this excellent article by Susan Sons in Linux Journal, that everyone with an opinion on gender and software should read. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/girls-and-software http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/girls-and-software