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This is all conjecture, but this series of events got me thinking about what to learn from this. I have a feeling Ms. Horvath and Mrs. Preston-Werner completel

This is all conjecture, but this series of events got me thinking about what to learn from this. I have a feeling Ms. Horvath and Mrs. Preston-Werner completely believe their own interpretations of what happened. This is a good reminder of how subtle and ambiguous our and others views of the same reality is. In her post Theresa mentions having a blind spot for the obligations that github employees felt for helping her charity, but she didn't see it, she saw friends. I think this is a good lesson to us all about not only making clear HR polices, but also always giving intentional consideration to how those around us see what we say and do. A kind of intellectual empathy.

js2 12y ago
how subtle and ambiguous our and others views of the same reality is Rashomon.
- neilk 12y ago
  Everyone thinks the message of that movie is "all truth is subjective", but it's not. It's more like "the stories we tell ourselves and others are distorted by our self-image and our interests". At the end, the movie even explicitly rejects the theory that truth is unobtainable, and that everyone is corrupt. In the movie at least, disinterested third parties who have good intentions can reveal the truth. You may believe in subjectivity, but Rashomon doesn't.
  - MarkPNeyer 12y ago
    i'm not sure where you're getting this. the parent referenced a movie, after posting a quote marveling at the different ways people interpret the same reality. grandparent post was talking about the need for intellectual empathy. i've seen that work wonders in my life. it's like this thread of comments shows the need for intellectual empathy in microcosm.
    - RodericDay 12y ago
      I agree with your parent that the reference gave the impression of having misunderstood the film It's like someone is raving about the military, and someone quotes appending Dulce et decorum est below. Not a big deal, but big enough to write a small comment making a correction, just in case.
      - marshray 12y ago
        I don't see it. The quote replied to was "how subtle and ambiguous our and others views of the same reality is".
mtrimpe 12y ago
In my mind this is the key sentence in her response: "I was the wife of the CEO, but that never entered my mind when I hung out with any GitHubbers." That is just not acceptable; it's the equivalent of walking around with a machine gun in your hands and saying that you never considered it might have any impact. As much as she might have liked it to, you can't wield considerable power over people's lives and have them treat you as though you don't. It just doesn't work that way.
- jrochkind1 12y ago
  Your comment about ignoring the considerable power you wield over other people and expecting them to hits home for me. I'm not sure exactly how to phrase it, but I think there's something there in general applicable to the current round of companies which have 'flat' organizational structures, but still aren't hardly employee-owned democratically-managed enterprises. [1] There are owners and bosses, there are people with ultimate decision-making powers (including hiring and firing) and those without, some who have a heck of a lot more salary/equity than others -- but at the same time, the 'flat structure' somehow seems as if everyone's expected to ignore that and act like it's not true. It's of course not a coincidence that Github is one of the most famous examples of such a 'flat structured' (not not actually democratically-managed) companies. And I think it's a shame that people will use this as an example of why hieararchy and authority is neccessary. I think it's more about the dangers of trying to make hieararchy and authority invisible when it actually still exists. Thanks for your comment which helped me start thinking about this, sorry my response is much less coherent. :) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative
  - stormbrew 12y ago
    > I think it's more about the dangers of trying to make hieararchy and authority invisible when it actually still exists. I want to emphasize this, because it is absolutely a thing that tends to happen even with the best of intentions from all parties. You can't eliminate hierarchy by hiding it.
- ganeumann 12y ago
comrh 12y ago
And if people point out your blind spot: stop, listen and then reevaluate.

js2 12y ago

how subtle and ambiguous our and others views of the same reality is Rashomon.

neilk 12y ago
Everyone thinks the message of that movie is "all truth is subjective", but it's not. It's more like "the stories we tell ourselves and others are distorted by our self-image and our interests". At the end, the movie even explicitly rejects the theory that truth is unobtainable, and that everyone is corrupt. In the movie at least, disinterested third parties who have good intentions can reveal the truth. You may believe in subjectivity, but Rashomon doesn't.
- MarkPNeyer 12y ago
  i'm not sure where you're getting this. the parent referenced a movie, after posting a quote marveling at the different ways people interpret the same reality. grandparent post was talking about the need for intellectual empathy. i've seen that work wonders in my life. it's like this thread of comments shows the need for intellectual empathy in microcosm.
  - RodericDay 12y ago
    I agree with your parent that the reference gave the impression of having misunderstood the film It's like someone is raving about the military, and someone quotes appending Dulce et decorum est below. Not a big deal, but big enough to write a small comment making a correction, just in case.
    - marshray 12y ago
      I don't see it. The quote replied to was "how subtle and ambiguous our and others views of the same reality is".

mtrimpe 12y ago

In my mind this is the key sentence in her response: "I was the wife of the CEO, but that never entered my mind when I hung out with any GitHubbers." That is just not acceptable; it's the equivalent of walking around with a machine gun in your hands and saying that you never considered it might have any impact. As much as she might have liked it to, you can't wield considerable power over people's lives and have them treat you as though you don't. It just doesn't work that way.

jrochkind1 12y ago
Your comment about ignoring the considerable power you wield over other people and expecting them to hits home for me. I'm not sure exactly how to phrase it, but I think there's something there in general applicable to the current round of companies which have 'flat' organizational structures, but still aren't hardly employee-owned democratically-managed enterprises. [1] There are owners and bosses, there are people with ultimate decision-making powers (including hiring and firing) and those without, some who have a heck of a lot more salary/equity than others -- but at the same time, the 'flat structure' somehow seems as if everyone's expected to ignore that and act like it's not true. It's of course not a coincidence that Github is one of the most famous examples of such a 'flat structured' (not not actually democratically-managed) companies. And I think it's a shame that people will use this as an example of why hieararchy and authority is neccessary. I think it's more about the dangers of trying to make hieararchy and authority invisible when it actually still exists. Thanks for your comment which helped me start thinking about this, sorry my response is much less coherent. :) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative
- stormbrew 12y ago
  > I think it's more about the dangers of trying to make hieararchy and authority invisible when it actually still exists. I want to emphasize this, because it is absolutely a thing that tends to happen even with the best of intentions from all parties. You can't eliminate hierarchy by hiding it.
ganeumann 12y ago

comrh 12y ago

And if people point out your blind spot: stop, listen and then reevaluate.