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> are not flattering. > across as mean and callous I think you're being too generous. Multiple executives from non-cooperating firms warned Steve Jobs in e-mai

> are not flattering. > across as mean and callous I think you're being too generous. Multiple executives from non-cooperating firms warned Steve Jobs in e-mails that the non-poaching agreements he was asking for were illegal. Non-poaching, non-solicitation and their cousins are awful for the employee, the industry and future employers. People are not commodities to contract over, and the egregiously pompous executive negotiations will earn fierce punishment from a jury or judge if this doesn't settle.

jmillikin 13y ago
I agree that no-hire agreements are harmful to employees, but non-solicitation is beneficial. Cold calls are obnoxious and I'd be glad to see them stop forever.
- ftay 13y ago
  Lol, way to be short-sighted.
- hueving 13y ago
  Don't answer your phone then. The fact that you're advocating a worse labor market for employees because you don't like phone calls is pretty appalling.
  - jmillikin 13y ago
    I'm not advocating a worse labor market, I'm advocating a market where engineers' lives are not constantly interrupted by phone calls from recruiters. Tech workers do not benefit in any way from being cold-called. The job market in silicon valley is very favorable to tech workers. A typical college grad could start applying tomorrow and have multiple offers by the end of the week. Someone with a few years at a top-tier company on their resume could probably get an offer directly after the interviews conclude. This is what hiring managers mean by "tech worker shortage": if you can write code, you can get a good job on a very tight schedule.
    - hueving 13y ago
      > I'm advocating a market where engineers' lives are not constantly interrupted by phone calls from recruiters. Don't answer your phone. You're advocating a market where people cannot be recruited because you're happy with your current job. It's selfish.

jmillikin 13y ago

I agree that no-hire agreements are harmful to employees, but non-solicitation is beneficial. Cold calls are obnoxious and I'd be glad to see them stop forever.

ftay 13y ago
Lol, way to be short-sighted.
hueving 13y ago
Don't answer your phone then. The fact that you're advocating a worse labor market for employees because you don't like phone calls is pretty appalling.
- jmillikin 13y ago
  I'm not advocating a worse labor market, I'm advocating a market where engineers' lives are not constantly interrupted by phone calls from recruiters. Tech workers do not benefit in any way from being cold-called. The job market in silicon valley is very favorable to tech workers. A typical college grad could start applying tomorrow and have multiple offers by the end of the week. Someone with a few years at a top-tier company on their resume could probably get an offer directly after the interviews conclude. This is what hiring managers mean by "tech worker shortage": if you can write code, you can get a good job on a very tight schedule.
  - hueving 13y ago
    > I'm advocating a market where engineers' lives are not constantly interrupted by phone calls from recruiters. Don't answer your phone. You're advocating a market where people cannot be recruited because you're happy with your current job. It's selfish.