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I can't tell you what/if you did anything wrong. There's just too many factors, some of which a highly subjective ("cultural fit"). I did interviews for my comp

by lawl 13y ago

I can't tell you what/if you did anything wrong. There's just too many factors, some of which a highly subjective ("cultural fit"). I did interviews for my company too and usually we would optimize our process highly to get no false positives, even if that meant we had a few false negatives. So again it's hard to say. But what really bothers me is that you got a reply from a no-reply address. What the actual fuck. You were there for an on-site interview, this is not the situation where you send people automated no-reply-click-this-link mails. If their HR doesn't have the time to send a short personal mail (or an automated one from a HR address that doesn't look like it's automated) that might be a red flag on how they treat their employees anyways. You can try asking them, we at my company were usually happy to tell candidates that didn't pass, why they didn't pass. But we also didn't blow off people with a no-reply mail that were far enough into the process to have been onsite. The only advice I can give you is to move on and do the next interview. Don't let this get to you.

eshvk 13y ago
> But what really bothers me is that you got a reply from a no-reply address. What the actual fuck. You were there for an on-site interview, this is not the situation where you send people automated no-reply-click-this-link mails. Yah. Three years ago, When I was fresh out of school, I interviewed at a very popular startup. The interview went reasonably well, with the team lead asking me questions like when I would be able to join and so on. I had a great rapport with their HR guy too. It was kind of harsh to casually get a reject from a automated no reply email. Two years later. The same guy, the lead of the team randomly emails me telling me I have a "great profile" and if I would like to grab coffee with him. I was amused to find out when I met him in person that he had no idea that I had come there previously. And all the assorted bullshit that went through. To be frank, I never seriously considered the offer the second time around. (I have a policy of never trying the fish if there is a cockroach running around in the floor of the restaurant. ) It is not fucking hard to send a personal email to someone who came all the way for face time with your company. In fact, it says a lot about your company's culture and attention to the little things.
- wuster 13y ago
  Sometimes it's not a good idea to give too much feedback, if any at all. I used to automatically provide feedback of why a candidate did not pass the interview, then I had a few sour encounters where the candidate just did not react professionally. For example, one candidate bemoaned the emphasis on CS fundamentals in our interview. In that case, the candidate was coming in from a mostly front-end webdev background, but our tech stack extends far below the typical webdev "full stack", where knowledge of OS/Networking/Compiler fundamentals is helpful in everyday design decisions. As a small team, we bias towards generalists for now, so while the person might be a great fit for his skillset in another organization, it just wasn't a great fit for us at that time. I tried to explain this, but I received a wall of text complaint email back. I had taken an hour out of my day to write immediate and specific feedback about his interview, and all I got was pushback. This is probably why HR stands between engineers and candidates.
  - rartichoke 13y ago
    For some reason your "I had taken an hour out of my day" comment really bothers me. The guy you interviewed probably spent ~4 hours preparing for the interview and then all of the time in the actual interview. Let's say he takes 7 hours out of his life to interview for your place. The least he deserves is a legit reason why he was declined because your company still benefits from not hiring him. You get to refine your interview process based on real feedback. The interviewee's time is just as valuable as yours. A wall of text complaint sounds pretty good. There's probably a lot of good feedback in there unless it happened to be filled with insults and other garbage in which case you should have been able to figure this out quickly and then not replied.
    - stronglikedan 13y ago
      If you give a reason, there's a small chance that you may have to defend that reason legally. Therefore, it's best to not give a specific reason. It's harsh, but protection of the business is more of a priority than potentially hurting someone's feelings by not giving a reason.
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film42 13y ago
I agree the no-reply@company.com was weird. Btw, I'm not sure if it was a cultural fit, because I interviewed with 8 people up until the meeting with the head of engineering, and all gave me the thumbs up. Maybe I was just not prepared enough for my conversation with the head of engineering. Still though, I would love to know why. Thank you for your advice, I feel that's really all I can do. Still, it's hard to not let this get to me.
- karuneshkaushal 13y ago
  > it's hard to not let this get to me. I have not had something like this happen to me, but I am sure it will get easier after another round of interviews with another company. You will almost forget about this experience after you land a good opportunity, other than for the anecdotal value :-)
- protomyth 13y ago
  > it's hard to not let this get to me. Don't let it bother you and just think of it as another story to tell[1]. If the no-reply bothers you, then they probably have a lot of other habits in how they treat people that would really bother you if you had got the job. Its the canary in the mine. Don't think of it as getting rejected, think of it as dodging a bullet. 1) my most wtf? story is getting rejected for an internship because the area code of the high school and college I went to was the same. Told me that over the phone. I did at least point out the whole state is one area code.
greenyoda 13y ago
"But what really bothers me is that you got a reply from a no-reply address." That would have bothered me too. But it could have been even worse. I've read plenty of accounts of how job candidates didn't get any reply at all after having interviewed for a position. Being busy doesn't exempt a company from the obligation to exercise common decency.
- mattchamb 13y ago
  A few months ago I went to two on-site interviews with a company that a friend (who works there) referred me to. They were the ones to call me up asking for an interview. The second interview was a coding one, which I did pretty well at. I never even heard back from them. Tbh, thinking about it now; I dont think I would want to work at a company that doesn't have the courtesy to reply to someone they approached to come and interview with them. Particularly someone who was referred there by one of their employees.
wuster 13y ago
At a small company, there's never an excuse to not send a personal email to a candidate.
stevekemp 13y ago
> But what really bothers me is that you got a reply from a no-reply address. I've had interviews where you go from frequent emails and phone-calls, everything looks like it is going wonderfully, and then you hear nothing. Silence. Even when you try to chase things up after a few days. Having no reply is deeply frustrating, although after a few days I guess you learn to take the hint.
danellis 13y ago
> what really bothers me is that you got a reply from a no-reply address I had pretty much the opposite rejection experience. I had interviewed on-site with Stripe, but for some reason was turned down. A week or so later I got a thank you card signed by all the people who had interviewed me. (Actually, the reason I applied was because of a handwritten card in response to the first Capture-the-Flag.)

by lawl 13y ago

eshvk 13y ago

> But what really bothers me is that you got a reply from a no-reply address. What the actual fuck. You were there for an on-site interview, this is not the situation where you send people automated no-reply-click-this-link mails. Yah. Three years ago, When I was fresh out of school, I interviewed at a very popular startup. The interview went reasonably well, with the team lead asking me questions like when I would be able to join and so on. I had a great rapport with their HR guy too. It was kind of harsh to casually get a reject from a automated no reply email. Two years later. The same guy, the lead of the team randomly emails me telling me I have a "great profile" and if I would like to grab coffee with him. I was amused to find out when I met him in person that he had no idea that I had come there previously. And all the assorted bullshit that went through. To be frank, I never seriously considered the offer the second time around. (I have a policy of never trying the fish if there is a cockroach running around in the floor of the restaurant. ) It is not fucking hard to send a personal email to someone who came all the way for face time with your company. In fact, it says a lot about your company's culture and attention to the little things.

wuster 13y ago
Sometimes it's not a good idea to give too much feedback, if any at all. I used to automatically provide feedback of why a candidate did not pass the interview, then I had a few sour encounters where the candidate just did not react professionally. For example, one candidate bemoaned the emphasis on CS fundamentals in our interview. In that case, the candidate was coming in from a mostly front-end webdev background, but our tech stack extends far below the typical webdev "full stack", where knowledge of OS/Networking/Compiler fundamentals is helpful in everyday design decisions. As a small team, we bias towards generalists for now, so while the person might be a great fit for his skillset in another organization, it just wasn't a great fit for us at that time. I tried to explain this, but I received a wall of text complaint email back. I had taken an hour out of my day to write immediate and specific feedback about his interview, and all I got was pushback. This is probably why HR stands between engineers and candidates.
- rartichoke 13y ago
  For some reason your "I had taken an hour out of my day" comment really bothers me. The guy you interviewed probably spent ~4 hours preparing for the interview and then all of the time in the actual interview. Let's say he takes 7 hours out of his life to interview for your place. The least he deserves is a legit reason why he was declined because your company still benefits from not hiring him. You get to refine your interview process based on real feedback. The interviewee's time is just as valuable as yours. A wall of text complaint sounds pretty good. There's probably a lot of good feedback in there unless it happened to be filled with insults and other garbage in which case you should have been able to figure this out quickly and then not replied.
  - stronglikedan 13y ago
    If you give a reason, there's a small chance that you may have to defend that reason legally. Therefore, it's best to not give a specific reason. It's harsh, but protection of the business is more of a priority than potentially hurting someone's feelings by not giving a reason.
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film42 13y ago

I agree the no-reply@company.com was weird. Btw, I'm not sure if it was a cultural fit, because I interviewed with 8 people up until the meeting with the head of engineering, and all gave me the thumbs up. Maybe I was just not prepared enough for my conversation with the head of engineering. Still though, I would love to know why. Thank you for your advice, I feel that's really all I can do. Still, it's hard to not let this get to me.

karuneshkaushal 13y ago
> it's hard to not let this get to me. I have not had something like this happen to me, but I am sure it will get easier after another round of interviews with another company. You will almost forget about this experience after you land a good opportunity, other than for the anecdotal value :-)
protomyth 13y ago
> it's hard to not let this get to me. Don't let it bother you and just think of it as another story to tell[1]. If the no-reply bothers you, then they probably have a lot of other habits in how they treat people that would really bother you if you had got the job. Its the canary in the mine. Don't think of it as getting rejected, think of it as dodging a bullet. 1) my most wtf? story is getting rejected for an internship because the area code of the high school and college I went to was the same. Told me that over the phone. I did at least point out the whole state is one area code.

greenyoda 13y ago

"But what really bothers me is that you got a reply from a no-reply address." That would have bothered me too. But it could have been even worse. I've read plenty of accounts of how job candidates didn't get any reply at all after having interviewed for a position. Being busy doesn't exempt a company from the obligation to exercise common decency.

mattchamb 13y ago
A few months ago I went to two on-site interviews with a company that a friend (who works there) referred me to. They were the ones to call me up asking for an interview. The second interview was a coding one, which I did pretty well at. I never even heard back from them. Tbh, thinking about it now; I dont think I would want to work at a company that doesn't have the courtesy to reply to someone they approached to come and interview with them. Particularly someone who was referred there by one of their employees.

wuster 13y ago

At a small company, there's never an excuse to not send a personal email to a candidate.

stevekemp 13y ago

> But what really bothers me is that you got a reply from a no-reply address. I've had interviews where you go from frequent emails and phone-calls, everything looks like it is going wonderfully, and then you hear nothing. Silence. Even when you try to chase things up after a few days. Having no reply is deeply frustrating, although after a few days I guess you learn to take the hint.

danellis 13y ago

> what really bothers me is that you got a reply from a no-reply address I had pretty much the opposite rejection experience. I had interviewed on-site with Stripe, but for some reason was turned down. A week or so later I got a thank you card signed by all the people who had interviewed me. (Actually, the reason I applied was because of a handwritten card in response to the first Capture-the-Flag.)