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Thanks for your reply, I just fixed the formatting of my question, still think that patching with more newlines is uncool though. Also, mine is more a proposal

Thanks for your reply, I just fixed the formatting of my question, still think that patching with more newlines is uncool though. Also, mine is more a proposal than a question...

001sky 12y ago
mine is more a proposal than a question... The title> "Why is HN so ugly..." Is a statement, more than either a proposal or a question. It's also presumptuous. Minimalism is a feature. Like exclusivity.
- reinier_s4g 12y ago
  Sorry, it wasnt my intention to be presumptuous, just wanted to get your attention and looks like i have, so mission accomplished! :) I understand minimalism is a feature and actually is one feature i love, as you can see i'm not proposing getting rid of the minimalistic look and adding lots of easter bunnies everywhere or anything, i'm just focusing on readability and the most basic things, wouldn't you agree HN can benefit from this?
  - ColinWright 12y ago
    > ... just wanted to get your attention and > looks like i have, so mission accomplished! Yup - I'll certainly remember you, although maybe not for the reason you wanted.
    - reinier_s4g 12y ago
      As long as you can sleep well ...
ColinWright 12y ago
You have asked a question, and then actually presented a bunch of proposals based on your biases and non-understandings of both the aims and the audience. Many, many proposals have been made for "improving" the interface. People have presented many alternatives. None have stuck, all have been critiqued. I you did some research you would see their fate. Are you so sure you really do know better? > "I wake up every morning to HN and my eyes hurt." Then write your own style sheets and GreaseMonkey script (or equivalent) to fix your rendered. When you're convinced you've got it right and it's significantly better, then offer it. And best of all, do some research on previous answers to this question and present a "proposal" that actually addressed the previous discussions.
- reinier_s4g 12y ago
  > "Then write your own style sheets and GreaseMonkey script (or equivalent) to fix your rendered" Have you seen the HN HTML layout and CSS code? I'm doing some research on previous posts regarding the HN interface, but judging by some answers i'm getting in this post i can imagine their fate, why plainly criticize instead of brainstorming about the proposed ideas and trying to get to a common ground? Maybe even some sketches done? (I'm working on mine as i write btw) ... according to you what are the aims and audience? I think you are implying you know the aims and audience better? can you please share? I'm part of the audience as well...
  - ColinWright 12y ago
    Yes, I've written scraper code that deconstructs the existing pages and inserts the data into a database. Your point? I've also seen this question many, many time, looked at the proposed "improvements," and read the many discussions about the whole issue. Broadly speaking, lots of people have preferred the existing version to those proposed, often by a substantial margin. Regularly people say that it looks horrible, never have a seen something I prefer. Feel free to try. Good luck.
    - reinier_s4g 12y ago
      Right, we all have done crawling and scraping, I even have my own framework build for it, man do I love that stuff... but if you think that's the right way to go about it we are just not in the same page. I understand you like HN as it is, and i guess an idea would be to have optional themes, that will be more democratic.
      - krapp 12y ago
        The weird thing is, at a certain karma level, you can change the top bar color. And that's it, as far as I know. You can't even change the top bar text color as well. It's like the one user-editable part of this site is also the least useful feature imaginable.
      - 12y ago

Thanks for your reply, I just fixed the formatting of my question, still think that patching with more newlines is uncool though. Also, mine is more a proposal than a question...

001sky 12y ago

mine is more a proposal than a question... The title> "Why is HN so ugly..." Is a statement, more than either a proposal or a question. It's also presumptuous. Minimalism is a feature. Like exclusivity.

reinier_s4g 12y ago
Sorry, it wasnt my intention to be presumptuous, just wanted to get your attention and looks like i have, so mission accomplished! :) I understand minimalism is a feature and actually is one feature i love, as you can see i'm not proposing getting rid of the minimalistic look and adding lots of easter bunnies everywhere or anything, i'm just focusing on readability and the most basic things, wouldn't you agree HN can benefit from this?
- ColinWright 12y ago
  > ... just wanted to get your attention and > looks like i have, so mission accomplished! Yup - I'll certainly remember you, although maybe not for the reason you wanted.
  - reinier_s4g 12y ago
    As long as you can sleep well ...

ColinWright 12y ago

You have asked a question, and then actually presented a bunch of proposals based on your biases and non-understandings of both the aims and the audience. Many, many proposals have been made for "improving" the interface. People have presented many alternatives. None have stuck, all have been critiqued. I you did some research you would see their fate. Are you so sure you really do know better? > "I wake up every morning to HN and my eyes hurt." Then write your own style sheets and GreaseMonkey script (or equivalent) to fix your rendered. When you're convinced you've got it right and it's significantly better, then offer it. And best of all, do some research on previous answers to this question and present a "proposal" that actually addressed the previous discussions.

reinier_s4g 12y ago
> "Then write your own style sheets and GreaseMonkey script (or equivalent) to fix your rendered" Have you seen the HN HTML layout and CSS code? I'm doing some research on previous posts regarding the HN interface, but judging by some answers i'm getting in this post i can imagine their fate, why plainly criticize instead of brainstorming about the proposed ideas and trying to get to a common ground? Maybe even some sketches done? (I'm working on mine as i write btw) ... according to you what are the aims and audience? I think you are implying you know the aims and audience better? can you please share? I'm part of the audience as well...
- ColinWright 12y ago
  Yes, I've written scraper code that deconstructs the existing pages and inserts the data into a database. Your point? I've also seen this question many, many time, looked at the proposed "improvements," and read the many discussions about the whole issue. Broadly speaking, lots of people have preferred the existing version to those proposed, often by a substantial margin. Regularly people say that it looks horrible, never have a seen something I prefer. Feel free to try. Good luck.
  - reinier_s4g 12y ago
    Right, we all have done crawling and scraping, I even have my own framework build for it, man do I love that stuff... but if you think that's the right way to go about it we are just not in the same page. I understand you like HN as it is, and i guess an idea would be to have optional themes, that will be more democratic.
    - krapp 12y ago
      The weird thing is, at a certain karma level, you can change the top bar color. And that's it, as far as I know. You can't even change the top bar text color as well. It's like the one user-editable part of this site is also the least useful feature imaginable.
    - 12y ago