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the other person is wrong, the poor are definitely hated in america. they are villianized as lazy welfare queens. remember the 47 percent thing with Romney? tur

the other person is wrong, the poor are definitely hated in america. they are villianized as lazy welfare queens. remember the 47 percent thing with Romney? turn on fox news for 10 minutes, John Stossel even villianizes the homeless. they also try to get rid of school lunches/food assistance for the poor.

bronson 13y ago
Fox News does not represent America.
- hyperbovine 13y ago
  Not all of it, but not none of it either.
ChuckMcM 13y ago
Be careful with the dissonance between the television narrative and reality.
- sophacles 13y ago
  Be careful with the dissonance between your social circle and "everyone". (In this case for instance - living in the midwest puts me into contact with a very large number of people who's beliefs align nearly perfectly with the television narrative).
  - wyclif 13y ago
    Meh, you lost me. Completely. One thing you have to remember is that in general, Americans are culturally one of the most generous nations in the world. Broadly speaking, that includes foreign aid and domestic welfare as well as voluntary charity. But at that same time, the US is an industrious nation that prizes hard work. It's a fine line to walk and people fall through the cracks in the system. Nevertheless, it's extremely uncharitable IMO to suggest that the poor are "hated" in America.
    - insuffi 13y ago
      You mean the same country where the word "social" is used as a slur? Or where if somebody receives welfare they are looked down upon and called lazy?[0] Broadly speaking, no, foreign aid given by the US is barely top 30 per capita. [0] http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/AmericanAttitudesAboutPovertyandthePoor.aspx http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/AmericanAttitu...
    - Retric 13y ago
      As a % of GDP it's not actually that high. US ranks #21 in Foreign aid and is 1/5 Sweden. http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-that-give-the-most-in-foreign-aid-statistics/ http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-that-give-the-most-i... Welfare # GDP US: 14.8 Sweden: 28.9 Giving we are #1 in monitary donations but it's only 1.85% of GDP in the US. http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/24/america-philanthropy-income-oped-cx_ee_1226eaves.html http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/24/america-philanthropy-income... "Based on volunteerism alone, the Netherlands comes first, followed by Sweden and then the U.S."
      - wyclif 13y ago
        Still doesn't mean the poor are "hated", and it's still a vast amount of aid money.
- thesimpsons1022 13y ago
  Fox News is the most watched cable news channel, so surely their views align with some portion of America. Even if its not the majority view, its still a powerful force.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
  I see a lot of people, including plenty in SV, who believe the "47%" narrative and plenty more who have nothing good to say about "the poors".
  - ChuckMcM 13y ago
    I don't disagree, the dissonance comes from conflating source to truth. It was once expressed in the adage, "It must be true, I read it in the newspaper!" which of course has no such authority. And more importantly how it is true is important as well. My philosopher friends go on and on about this. Critical thinking is really helpful here, and yes there are many folks who are not critical thinkers.
    - thesimpsons1022 13y ago
      what’s your point? everyone knows this. Who said I dismissed them because they were from those sources? use logic just for one second. The original person that the poor aren't looked down upon, and i responded by listing people/shows that look down on poor people. What the hell does that have to do with judging a point by its source? its a totally different subject. I agree with you, judge the logic, not the source. That's why I disagree that only women or minorities can have an opinion about issues concerning them.
zo1 13y ago
That's the media for you, and not necessarily "Fox" or whatever x-wing group you seem to dislike. Fox news is only seen as "bad" because it doesn't exaggerate reality to the side that the majority like. The other news media outlets do the exact same thing, just towards the other side of the narrative. Both sides of the media play on peoples' emotions. The real question is: are you intellectually honest enough to entertain views and thoughts for their own merit without dismissing them flatly just because "they're from Fox", "John Stossel", or "Romney".
- thesimpsons1022 13y ago
  what’s your point? everyone knows this. Who said I dismissed them because they were from those sources? use logic just for one second. The original person that the poor aren't looked down upon, and i responded by listing people/shows that look down on poor people. What the hell does that have to do with judging a point by its source? its a totally different subject. I agree with you, judge the logic, not the source. That's why I disagree that only women or minorities can have an opinion about issues concerning them.

bronson 13y ago

Fox News does not represent America.

hyperbovine 13y ago
Not all of it, but not none of it either.

ChuckMcM 13y ago

Be careful with the dissonance between the television narrative and reality.

sophacles 13y ago
Be careful with the dissonance between your social circle and "everyone". (In this case for instance - living in the midwest puts me into contact with a very large number of people who's beliefs align nearly perfectly with the television narrative).
- wyclif 13y ago
  Meh, you lost me. Completely. One thing you have to remember is that in general, Americans are culturally one of the most generous nations in the world. Broadly speaking, that includes foreign aid and domestic welfare as well as voluntary charity. But at that same time, the US is an industrious nation that prizes hard work. It's a fine line to walk and people fall through the cracks in the system. Nevertheless, it's extremely uncharitable IMO to suggest that the poor are "hated" in America.
  - insuffi 13y ago
    You mean the same country where the word "social" is used as a slur? Or where if somebody receives welfare they are looked down upon and called lazy?[0] Broadly speaking, no, foreign aid given by the US is barely top 30 per capita. [0] http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/AmericanAttitudesAboutPovertyandthePoor.aspx http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/AmericanAttitu...
  - Retric 13y ago
    As a % of GDP it's not actually that high. US ranks #21 in Foreign aid and is 1/5 Sweden. http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-that-give-the-most-in-foreign-aid-statistics/ http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-that-give-the-most-i... Welfare # GDP US: 14.8 Sweden: 28.9 Giving we are #1 in monitary donations but it's only 1.85% of GDP in the US. http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/24/america-philanthropy-income-oped-cx_ee_1226eaves.html http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/24/america-philanthropy-income... "Based on volunteerism alone, the Netherlands comes first, followed by Sweden and then the U.S."
    - wyclif 13y ago
      Still doesn't mean the poor are "hated", and it's still a vast amount of aid money.
thesimpsons1022 13y ago
Fox News is the most watched cable news channel, so surely their views align with some portion of America. Even if its not the majority view, its still a powerful force.
GFK_of_xmaspast 13y ago
I see a lot of people, including plenty in SV, who believe the "47%" narrative and plenty more who have nothing good to say about "the poors".
- ChuckMcM 13y ago
  I don't disagree, the dissonance comes from conflating source to truth. It was once expressed in the adage, "It must be true, I read it in the newspaper!" which of course has no such authority. And more importantly how it is true is important as well. My philosopher friends go on and on about this. Critical thinking is really helpful here, and yes there are many folks who are not critical thinkers.
  - thesimpsons1022 13y ago
    what’s your point? everyone knows this. Who said I dismissed them because they were from those sources? use logic just for one second. The original person that the poor aren't looked down upon, and i responded by listing people/shows that look down on poor people. What the hell does that have to do with judging a point by its source? its a totally different subject. I agree with you, judge the logic, not the source. That's why I disagree that only women or minorities can have an opinion about issues concerning them.

zo1 13y ago

That's the media for you, and not necessarily "Fox" or whatever x-wing group you seem to dislike. Fox news is only seen as "bad" because it doesn't exaggerate reality to the side that the majority like. The other news media outlets do the exact same thing, just towards the other side of the narrative. Both sides of the media play on peoples' emotions. The real question is: are you intellectually honest enough to entertain views and thoughts for their own merit without dismissing them flatly just because "they're from Fox", "John Stossel", or "Romney".

thesimpsons1022 13y ago
what’s your point? everyone knows this. Who said I dismissed them because they were from those sources? use logic just for one second. The original person that the poor aren't looked down upon, and i responded by listing people/shows that look down on poor people. What the hell does that have to do with judging a point by its source? its a totally different subject. I agree with you, judge the logic, not the source. That's why I disagree that only women or minorities can have an opinion about issues concerning them.