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Here's a prediction I've heard that I actually thought was kind of interesting. China will be the first to clone humans because they don't have our ethical res

by riggins 12y ago

Here's a prediction I've heard that I actually thought was kind of interesting. China will be the first to clone humans because they don't have our ethical restraints. Since China already is interested in eugenics, its easy to infer that they'll be interested in cloning geniuses. It will get interesting if a large population of geniuses in China starts to tip the technological and military balance and whether other countries would feel compelled to respond.

ekianjo 12y ago
> if a large population of geniuses in China starts to tip the technological and military balance and whether other countries would feel compelled to respond. If all you needed to get an edge on other countries was a bunch of intelligent people, that would be known for a long time and India and China would be leading the world by now. But that's certainly not sufficient.
- riggins 12y ago
  that's a very good point. However, wouldn't you agree that China is getting closer to the US in technological sophistication? How does that picture look if a much larger proportion of China's population is geniuses?
hackuser 12y ago
Why China, which has an over-population problem. Why not countries who want to solve their declining population problems such as Russia, Japan, many Western European countries, or Israel (whose Jewish population is declining quickly relative to other groups)? Those with popular biases in favor of specific ethnic groups might see this as the alternative to immigration or national decline.
- joeclark77 12y ago
  The problem for Japan and most Western nations is not that their young people are infertile, it's that their young people are unwilling to marry and have children. (And even those who are willing, are only willing to have one or two children, and only at age 35+.) Cloning can't solve that problem!
- riggins 12y ago
  Why China? Because culturally they don't have the same ethical restraints. I'll admit, I don't have enough experience to say whether or not that's true, but the person who was making the argument to me had lived in China. There's a article linked to below in the comments that talks about cultural differences and how it effects the ethics of cloning.

by riggins 12y ago

ekianjo 12y ago

> if a large population of geniuses in China starts to tip the technological and military balance and whether other countries would feel compelled to respond. If all you needed to get an edge on other countries was a bunch of intelligent people, that would be known for a long time and India and China would be leading the world by now. But that's certainly not sufficient.

riggins 12y ago
that's a very good point. However, wouldn't you agree that China is getting closer to the US in technological sophistication? How does that picture look if a much larger proportion of China's population is geniuses?

hackuser 12y ago

Why China, which has an over-population problem. Why not countries who want to solve their declining population problems such as Russia, Japan, many Western European countries, or Israel (whose Jewish population is declining quickly relative to other groups)? Those with popular biases in favor of specific ethnic groups might see this as the alternative to immigration or national decline.

joeclark77 12y ago
The problem for Japan and most Western nations is not that their young people are infertile, it's that their young people are unwilling to marry and have children. (And even those who are willing, are only willing to have one or two children, and only at age 35+.) Cloning can't solve that problem!
riggins 12y ago
Why China? Because culturally they don't have the same ethical restraints. I'll admit, I don't have enough experience to say whether or not that's true, but the person who was making the argument to me had lived in China. There's a article linked to below in the comments that talks about cultural differences and how it effects the ethics of cloning.