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Upvoting should be lightweight, but I'm ok with downvoting requiring slightly more effort (picking a reason). I probably upvote 20x more than I downvote, if no

by rdl 13y ago

Upvoting should be lightweight, but I'm ok with downvoting requiring slightly more effort (picking a reason). I probably upvote 20x more than I downvote, if not more. (this would be an interesting statistic to show the user on his own profile page, or even to make globally visible).

samstave 13y ago
I have the same habit as you; almost exclusively upvote. But I do think that downvotes should require the downvoter to leave a comment-reply in order to downvote. As opposed to selecting from a menu of reasons; they need to actually type something.
- yaddayadda 13y ago
  I think a menu of reasons would be a great start. Not only does it require a bit more overhead on the downvoter's part, but the reasons can be used by the algorithm. I also think that some sort of feedback for the comment's poster could really help comment quality. edit to add: It also reduces the possibility for 'accidental' downvotes, which I see on a regular basis. ---------- On a related note, deleted comments should still count toward a user's Karma and avg. The other day I saw a user making comments that struck me as factually questionable. I'm not an expert in that field, so I asked for an explanation. The user had an avg over 5, so there was reason to believe the user might have known something I didn't. All of a sudden, the user's comments on that topic started getting downvoted. Despite the initial downvotes one of the comments was still at the top of the thread (my understanding is that a user's avg impacts the comment ordering). The user never responded to requests for more information or reputable sources, and then all of a sudden, all of his/her comments on that thread were deleted. Curious, I went and looked up the user's previous comments. In multiple fields this person put on an air of expertise. Maybe he/she is and then again, maybe not. But the comments were almost all disparaging, with this air of expertise. So, the user makes definitive claims that come across like an expert, if their comments start getting downvoted, they delete the comment and don't get penalized. Otherwise, they reap in the upvotes and have an avg that appears to the world to justify their expertise.
  - dfc 13y ago
    I always assumed that deleted comments work the way you are suggesting. I wonder why they do not work like this? Is the thread you are referring to the Lavabit appeal discussion?
roghummal 13y ago
>but I'm ok with downvoting requiring slightly more effort (picking a reason). How about downvoting requiring a reply? I reply to everyone I downvote, the exception being copypasta, strictly-copypasta. A one-word variation on copypasta gets a reply. Be anti-echo.
- kijin 13y ago
  > I reply to everyone I downvote Thanks for doing that. I really hate it when a comment that I put some thought into gets downvoted without a single reply. I'm pretty sure I didn't do anything obviously wrong, so if somebody still doesn't like my comment (e.g. they have a reasonable disagreement), I would like to know why. Requiring downvotes to be accompanied by a reply would also make trolls hesitate before they downvote something just because. Otherwise they themselsves will be downvoted for their failure to provide adequate justification for their downvotes. But it might also have unintended side effects. For example, all those replies will take up valuable screen space without actually adding anything useful to the discussion, especially if the downvoted comment is worthless to begin with, and especially in the downvote-the-downvote scenario that I just outlined above.
  - roghummal 13y ago
    >I really hate it when a comment that I put some thought into gets downvoted without a single reply. I'm pretty sure I didn't do anything obviously wrong, so if somebody still doesn't like my comment (e.g. they have a reasonable disagreement), I would like to know why. This is exactly why I have that personal policy. If you pass the CAPTCHA, the 'post-to-account-age' ratio, and whatever tests you took to post then you deserve a reason when someone clicks 'DOWNVOTE'. Let the software take care of the real shit-posts. >Requiring downvotes to be accompanied by a reply would also make trolls hesitate before they downvote something just because. If you think "trolls" are doing a statistically appreciable amount of downvoting, I would suggest they aren't. "Disagreeable" people are more interested in making their point than they are with suppressing the ability of others to make theirs. >For example, all those replies will take up valuable screen space without actually adding anything useful to the discussion 'folding' comment branches would fix this. Not folding by default (unless nested deeply enough to justify it anyway); That's just another way to hide 'undesirable' content. >especially if the downvoted comment is worthless to begin with, and especially in the downvote-the-downvote scenario that I just outlined above. Put the power in the user's hands. Downvote-the-downvote comments create transparency.

by rdl 13y ago

samstave 13y ago

I have the same habit as you; almost exclusively upvote. But I do think that downvotes should require the downvoter to leave a comment-reply in order to downvote. As opposed to selecting from a menu of reasons; they need to actually type something.

yaddayadda 13y ago
I think a menu of reasons would be a great start. Not only does it require a bit more overhead on the downvoter's part, but the reasons can be used by the algorithm. I also think that some sort of feedback for the comment's poster could really help comment quality. edit to add: It also reduces the possibility for 'accidental' downvotes, which I see on a regular basis. ---------- On a related note, deleted comments should still count toward a user's Karma and avg. The other day I saw a user making comments that struck me as factually questionable. I'm not an expert in that field, so I asked for an explanation. The user had an avg over 5, so there was reason to believe the user might have known something I didn't. All of a sudden, the user's comments on that topic started getting downvoted. Despite the initial downvotes one of the comments was still at the top of the thread (my understanding is that a user's avg impacts the comment ordering). The user never responded to requests for more information or reputable sources, and then all of a sudden, all of his/her comments on that thread were deleted. Curious, I went and looked up the user's previous comments. In multiple fields this person put on an air of expertise. Maybe he/she is and then again, maybe not. But the comments were almost all disparaging, with this air of expertise. So, the user makes definitive claims that come across like an expert, if their comments start getting downvoted, they delete the comment and don't get penalized. Otherwise, they reap in the upvotes and have an avg that appears to the world to justify their expertise.
- dfc 13y ago
  I always assumed that deleted comments work the way you are suggesting. I wonder why they do not work like this? Is the thread you are referring to the Lavabit appeal discussion?

roghummal 13y ago

>but I'm ok with downvoting requiring slightly more effort (picking a reason). How about downvoting requiring a reply? I reply to everyone I downvote, the exception being copypasta, strictly-copypasta. A one-word variation on copypasta gets a reply. Be anti-echo.

kijin 13y ago
> I reply to everyone I downvote Thanks for doing that. I really hate it when a comment that I put some thought into gets downvoted without a single reply. I'm pretty sure I didn't do anything obviously wrong, so if somebody still doesn't like my comment (e.g. they have a reasonable disagreement), I would like to know why. Requiring downvotes to be accompanied by a reply would also make trolls hesitate before they downvote something just because. Otherwise they themselsves will be downvoted for their failure to provide adequate justification for their downvotes. But it might also have unintended side effects. For example, all those replies will take up valuable screen space without actually adding anything useful to the discussion, especially if the downvoted comment is worthless to begin with, and especially in the downvote-the-downvote scenario that I just outlined above.
- roghummal 13y ago
  >I really hate it when a comment that I put some thought into gets downvoted without a single reply. I'm pretty sure I didn't do anything obviously wrong, so if somebody still doesn't like my comment (e.g. they have a reasonable disagreement), I would like to know why. This is exactly why I have that personal policy. If you pass the CAPTCHA, the 'post-to-account-age' ratio, and whatever tests you took to post then you deserve a reason when someone clicks 'DOWNVOTE'. Let the software take care of the real shit-posts. >Requiring downvotes to be accompanied by a reply would also make trolls hesitate before they downvote something just because. If you think "trolls" are doing a statistically appreciable amount of downvoting, I would suggest they aren't. "Disagreeable" people are more interested in making their point than they are with suppressing the ability of others to make theirs. >For example, all those replies will take up valuable screen space without actually adding anything useful to the discussion 'folding' comment branches would fix this. Not folding by default (unless nested deeply enough to justify it anyway); That's just another way to hide 'undesirable' content. >especially if the downvoted comment is worthless to begin with, and especially in the downvote-the-downvote scenario that I just outlined above. Put the power in the user's hands. Downvote-the-downvote comments create transparency.