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Now that Putin has clearly said "no", if evidence comes out that they have dragnet surveillance like the NSA, then he is shown to be lying. This is like how th

Now that Putin has clearly said "no", if evidence comes out that they have dragnet surveillance like the NSA, then he is shown to be lying. This is like how they were able to prove that the NSA was lying in its responses, over and over again after each leak. So when mandarins attempt to say we're having a "great debate" or whatever it is transparent that they are fucking with you.

loceng 12y ago
And he won't give a shit because he's already getting away with other things. We have to start treating the world as a global community. What if Russia was doing this to Canada? Would other countries just stand by to see how badly it escalates or immediately jump in as peace keepers? Edit: I should clarify and that it isn't "Russia" doing it to anyone, it is Putin and the people in control there.
- XorNot 12y ago
  If you mean the Ukraine thing, then the principle reason we're not getting involved is because World War III would be bad for everybody. Make no mistake: any conflict between NATO and Russia would end in Russian defeat, but not before you saw China get involved (against Russia, to keep the Japanese off the mainland) and the Middle East explode as a bunch of nations took the tying up of the usual powers as an opportunity to grab some land and settle old scores. Wave goodbye to the American economy, Chinese economy (but ironically possibly not the European one) - assuming of course, that everyone stays sane and no one thinks to try and use their nuclear arsenal offensively to retake lost ground.
  - loceng 12y ago
    Economies don't just disappear, they change - they maybe don't grow as quickly, maybe they contract a bit (some areas would be worse off than others if they don't have local sustainable practices). War shifts activity towards military-related creation which I don't agree with, though letting that little irritation grow into a rash is the wrong approach - because that rash gains "power" or rather the ability to control more and be more free than could be if you were applying an ointment to it. The fear that has been injected to people relating to the "economy is going to collapse" only has power because capitalism currently causes a false state of scarcity. We have the resources to feed and shelter everyone, giving them the time to live life, to learn, etc.. Once we solve this false scarcity then that fear will be alleviated and people who have control issues and who are unkind can be limited by societies of how much influence and control of resources they have.
smsm42 12y ago
There's no need for anything to "come out", SORM and SORM-2 are official systems of mass surveillance deployed in Russia and everybody who knows anything about what's going on knows about it. Of course, Putin's words are directed to those that don't know, and these are the overwhelming majority.

loceng 12y ago

And he won't give a shit because he's already getting away with other things. We have to start treating the world as a global community. What if Russia was doing this to Canada? Would other countries just stand by to see how badly it escalates or immediately jump in as peace keepers? Edit: I should clarify and that it isn't "Russia" doing it to anyone, it is Putin and the people in control there.

XorNot 12y ago
If you mean the Ukraine thing, then the principle reason we're not getting involved is because World War III would be bad for everybody. Make no mistake: any conflict between NATO and Russia would end in Russian defeat, but not before you saw China get involved (against Russia, to keep the Japanese off the mainland) and the Middle East explode as a bunch of nations took the tying up of the usual powers as an opportunity to grab some land and settle old scores. Wave goodbye to the American economy, Chinese economy (but ironically possibly not the European one) - assuming of course, that everyone stays sane and no one thinks to try and use their nuclear arsenal offensively to retake lost ground.
- loceng 12y ago
  Economies don't just disappear, they change - they maybe don't grow as quickly, maybe they contract a bit (some areas would be worse off than others if they don't have local sustainable practices). War shifts activity towards military-related creation which I don't agree with, though letting that little irritation grow into a rash is the wrong approach - because that rash gains "power" or rather the ability to control more and be more free than could be if you were applying an ointment to it. The fear that has been injected to people relating to the "economy is going to collapse" only has power because capitalism currently causes a false state of scarcity. We have the resources to feed and shelter everyone, giving them the time to live life, to learn, etc.. Once we solve this false scarcity then that fear will be alleviated and people who have control issues and who are unkind can be limited by societies of how much influence and control of resources they have.

smsm42 12y ago

There's no need for anything to "come out", SORM and SORM-2 are official systems of mass surveillance deployed in Russia and everybody who knows anything about what's going on knows about it. Of course, Putin's words are directed to those that don't know, and these are the overwhelming majority.