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Ubuntu 14.04 comes with Python 3.4, but unfortunately, it doesn't bundle the ensurepip module (and a host of others). By the looks of things, the idea was to us

Ubuntu 14.04 comes with Python 3.4, but unfortunately, it doesn't bundle the ensurepip module (and a host of others). By the looks of things, the idea was to use Ubuntu's own packages instead[1], but it didn't make it in time. This means that pip being bundled by default—one of Python 3.4 coolest features—is missing. Trying to create a virtualenv using the bundled virtualenv module fails as well. Big mess.[2] [1] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/3.4.0-2ubuntu1 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/3.4.0-2ubuntu... [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/1290847 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/129...

0161 12y ago
This is a real shame. Python 3.4 and bundled pip support was high on my list of reasons of why I should upgrade to 14.04 sooner rather than later. I think I'll wait now until this is smoothed out.
- id 12y ago
  Ubuntu 14.04.1 is scheduled for July 24th.
  - 0161 12y ago
    In the bug thread linked in above, it's mentioned that it will be fixed in Debian and then included in an SRU (Stable Release Update) for Ubuntu 14.04. Does that mean July 24th or might it be earlier, do you know?
    - jcastro 12y ago
      The point release is a roll up of the previous fixes, so if the bug is fixed beforehand you'll get it in an update.
      - 0161 12y ago
        Oh, excellent. Thanks very much for the reply.
duaneb 12y ago
How did they ship this? It's clearly an unfinished release.
- SkyMarshal 12y ago
  Better to stick to their bi-annual schedule, even if it means shipping a usable but not-quite-polished release, then polishing it in subsequent months. The previous versions, from 12.04 to 13.10, are more than adequate for anyone who can't risk upgrading to what is effectively a beta or release candidate.
  - Mchl 12y ago
    From LTS I'd expect something more than not-quite-polished. Maybe polished-a-bit or slightly-polished.
  - otterley 12y ago
    Customer: "It doesn't work!" Project manager: "But hey, we shipped on time!"
    - vetinari 12y ago
      I'm sure that the vendor will gladly return the money paid for it.
      - waps 12y ago
        You mean after the project manager has switched projects and management has voted itself a bonus ? Absolutely.
    - wyclif 12y ago
      The argument for rolling release in a nutshell.
      - otterley 12y ago
        I prefer the "we bottle no wine before its time" model. It's one of the many reasons I prefer EL distributions to Ubuntu.
sciurus 12y ago
For more information on how Debian, Fedora, and others are dealing with ensurepip see "Distributions wrestle with pip" at https://lwn.net/Articles/591421/ https://lwn.net/Articles/591421/
YokoZar 12y ago
Yes, you still have to apt-get install python3-pip, just like older releases. This doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world though.
- beaumartinez 12y ago
  Except even then Python 3.4's bundled virtualenv module is still broken. The omission of the ensurepip module isn't an inconvenience, it breaks Python 3.4 functionality.
MetaCosm 12y ago
It is a problem, on one set of packages that are a part of a rather large distro, not sure I would consider it a show stopper, just an annoyance. Yes, Python is a mess. But, Python has been a horrific mess for years now, on multiple distros. I just ended up giving up on Python. Distro problems, 2/3 split, GIL and various other buggy nonsense slowly just reduced its value versus other languages.
- pekk 12y ago
  This isn't about Python being a mess, it is about an Ubuntu release messing it up. You know there's a problem when you lose important features you'd get with ./configure; make; make install

0161 12y ago

This is a real shame. Python 3.4 and bundled pip support was high on my list of reasons of why I should upgrade to 14.04 sooner rather than later. I think I'll wait now until this is smoothed out.

id 12y ago
Ubuntu 14.04.1 is scheduled for July 24th.
- 0161 12y ago
  In the bug thread linked in above, it's mentioned that it will be fixed in Debian and then included in an SRU (Stable Release Update) for Ubuntu 14.04. Does that mean July 24th or might it be earlier, do you know?
  - jcastro 12y ago
    The point release is a roll up of the previous fixes, so if the bug is fixed beforehand you'll get it in an update.
    - 0161 12y ago
      Oh, excellent. Thanks very much for the reply.

duaneb 12y ago

How did they ship this? It's clearly an unfinished release.

SkyMarshal 12y ago
Better to stick to their bi-annual schedule, even if it means shipping a usable but not-quite-polished release, then polishing it in subsequent months. The previous versions, from 12.04 to 13.10, are more than adequate for anyone who can't risk upgrading to what is effectively a beta or release candidate.
- Mchl 12y ago
  From LTS I'd expect something more than not-quite-polished. Maybe polished-a-bit or slightly-polished.
- otterley 12y ago
  Customer: "It doesn't work!" Project manager: "But hey, we shipped on time!"
  - vetinari 12y ago
    I'm sure that the vendor will gladly return the money paid for it.
    - waps 12y ago
      You mean after the project manager has switched projects and management has voted itself a bonus ? Absolutely.
  - wyclif 12y ago
    The argument for rolling release in a nutshell.
    - otterley 12y ago
      I prefer the "we bottle no wine before its time" model. It's one of the many reasons I prefer EL distributions to Ubuntu.

sciurus 12y ago

For more information on how Debian, Fedora, and others are dealing with ensurepip see "Distributions wrestle with pip" at https://lwn.net/Articles/591421/ https://lwn.net/Articles/591421/

YokoZar 12y ago

Yes, you still have to apt-get install python3-pip, just like older releases. This doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world though.

beaumartinez 12y ago
Except even then Python 3.4's bundled virtualenv module is still broken. The omission of the ensurepip module isn't an inconvenience, it breaks Python 3.4 functionality.

MetaCosm 12y ago

It is a problem, on one set of packages that are a part of a rather large distro, not sure I would consider it a show stopper, just an annoyance. Yes, Python is a mess. But, Python has been a horrific mess for years now, on multiple distros. I just ended up giving up on Python. Distro problems, 2/3 split, GIL and various other buggy nonsense slowly just reduced its value versus other languages.

pekk 12y ago
This isn't about Python being a mess, it is about an Ubuntu release messing it up. You know there's a problem when you lose important features you'd get with ./configure; make; make install