Agreed but if function follows form then Yii is somewhat lacking. Maybe I'm just biased because when I was in a tight spot digging through the source and docs d

Agreed but if function follows form then Yii is somewhat lacking. Maybe I'm just biased because when I was in a tight spot digging through the source and docs didn't get me where I wanted to be. Looking at their GitHub now I must admit that the source code and comments look pretty good.