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The thing about a shell (much like an editor, really) is that if you invest in it too far it becomes much more frustrating than reasonable to go without it. If

The thing about a shell (much like an editor, really) is that if you invest in it too far it becomes much more frustrating than reasonable to go without it. If you tend to shell in to a lot of servers that you lack control over, getting used to zsh niceties just makes the rest of your life that much harder. At least in my experience.

uuid_to_string 13y ago
What if you invested in learning a shell that was installed on all servers you lack control over? What if you invested in learning POSIX sh? Wouldn't your scripts and one liners written in POSIX sh work in zsh, bash, etc.? You could be comfortable on any server, no matter what the shell. Even servers that default to tcsh still have /bin/sh.
- stormbrew 13y ago
  I'm not saying don't do that, and I'm comfortable using and scripting for anything from POSIX sh to zsh, can get by in fish, etc, etc. But if you're going to dive deep on any of them, bash has a pretty unique and strong argument for being quite likely to be available on most of the machines you work with on a day to day basis.
  - uuid_to_string 13y ago
    By "you" do you mean me, personally? The servers I use do not have bash installed by default. The only time I use it is when I am forced to by an installation script. I install bash on an as needed basis, and when I'm done using it, I uninstall it. I just have no need for it otherwise. What is the shell on Android? Is it bash?
    - stormbrew 13y ago
      No, definitely meant it as a general thing. And really, directed towards people working with servers, and not to people working with embedded devices (like Android) where keeping to POSIX (or specifically ash, which is what android and busybox use) is probably a necessity. Many servers don't have bash installed as part of their base distribution, but if they're going to have another shell already installed it's much more likely to be bash than zsh.

uuid_to_string 13y ago

What if you invested in learning a shell that was installed on all servers you lack control over? What if you invested in learning POSIX sh? Wouldn't your scripts and one liners written in POSIX sh work in zsh, bash, etc.? You could be comfortable on any server, no matter what the shell. Even servers that default to tcsh still have /bin/sh.

stormbrew 13y ago
I'm not saying don't do that, and I'm comfortable using and scripting for anything from POSIX sh to zsh, can get by in fish, etc, etc. But if you're going to dive deep on any of them, bash has a pretty unique and strong argument for being quite likely to be available on most of the machines you work with on a day to day basis.
- uuid_to_string 13y ago
  By "you" do you mean me, personally? The servers I use do not have bash installed by default. The only time I use it is when I am forced to by an installation script. I install bash on an as needed basis, and when I'm done using it, I uninstall it. I just have no need for it otherwise. What is the shell on Android? Is it bash?
  - stormbrew 13y ago
    No, definitely meant it as a general thing. And really, directed towards people working with servers, and not to people working with embedded devices (like Android) where keeping to POSIX (or specifically ash, which is what android and busybox use) is probably a necessity. Many servers don't have bash installed as part of their base distribution, but if they're going to have another shell already installed it's much more likely to be bash than zsh.