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I feel awkward having correctly guessed that the bulk of the post would be a complaint about the gender in the informal "guy." Surely there's more interesting

by mjolk 13y ago

I feel awkward having correctly guessed that the bulk of the post would be a complaint about the gender in the informal "guy." Surely there's more interesting things to complain about.

comrh 13y ago
So instead of seeing it as personally disinteresting and moving on you painted the issue as not interesting, or not worth talking about, which is an age old silencing tactic[1], and add no critical points of your own. [1]http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/This_is_boring http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/This_is_boring It may not be interesting to you, no one is tell you it has to be, but silencing other people's issues because they're boring to you is really, really lame.
- mjolk 13y ago
  It's not a silencing tactic, good lord, stop suspecting people have hidden agendas about trivial garbage like this. Like the blog author, stop attempting to control what people say. Someone saying "I'm a product guy" is in no way a slight or a problem in the world. "I'm a product expert." There, solved.
  - comrh 13y ago
    I'm not trying to control what you say. I am critiquing what you said. I also didn't assume you had a hidden agenda. Again I just pointed out that your response is a common trope used to discredit people's opinions. > Someone saying "I'm a product guy" is in no way a slight or a problem in the world. In your world. Is it so inconceivable to you that other people might feel different things are problematic in their lives? Who are you to decide what is and isn't a problem when someone has just expressed that they are conflicted about something.
    - mjolk 13y ago
      >In your world. Is it so inconceivable to you that other people might feel different things are problematic in their lives? It's not inconceivable, but I find it absurd that this is topic that a rational actor would feel is worth getting frustrated over. >Who are you to decide what is and isn't a problem when someone has just expressed that they are conflicted about something. Here's the thing: when you say "yeah, the thing you said is a tactic that is commonly used by jerks," the other party is going to take offense. Especially when it comes to feminism, in which being a chicken little just ends up trivializing the problem domain.
      - comrh 13y ago
        Just because you were offended doesn't mean the criticism isn't on point. Nice dig at all of feminism though, again implying the small issues aren't important.
        mjolk 13y ago
        >Nice dig at all of feminism though, again implying the small issues aren't important. No part of that was a criticism feminism. If anything, I was defending it from you.
        hashbanged 13y ago
        If you think that blogs like this are a threat to feminism, I don't think we're working with the same definition of feminism. Can you please explain how you are defending feminism right now?
      - hashbanged 13y ago
        > rational actor What does economic theory have to do with it? Rational choice theory is about making assumptions about what economic choices people will make when reasoning about people in general. It is a very limited view of human decision making, and have nothing to do with you deciding weather or not someone is rational for getting frustrated over something you don't experience. But it's nice that you dismissed the author as being irrational. That's another common silencing tactic. If you think something is trivial, ignore it.
dwaltrip 13y ago
Surely, there are more interesting things to comment on.

by mjolk 13y ago

I feel awkward having correctly guessed that the bulk of the post would be a complaint about the gender in the informal "guy." Surely there's more interesting things to complain about.

comrh 13y ago

So instead of seeing it as personally disinteresting and moving on you painted the issue as not interesting, or not worth talking about, which is an age old silencing tactic[1], and add no critical points of your own. [1]http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/This_is_boring http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/This_is_boring It may not be interesting to you, no one is tell you it has to be, but silencing other people's issues because they're boring to you is really, really lame.

mjolk 13y ago
It's not a silencing tactic, good lord, stop suspecting people have hidden agendas about trivial garbage like this. Like the blog author, stop attempting to control what people say. Someone saying "I'm a product guy" is in no way a slight or a problem in the world. "I'm a product expert." There, solved.
- comrh 13y ago
  I'm not trying to control what you say. I am critiquing what you said. I also didn't assume you had a hidden agenda. Again I just pointed out that your response is a common trope used to discredit people's opinions. > Someone saying "I'm a product guy" is in no way a slight or a problem in the world. In your world. Is it so inconceivable to you that other people might feel different things are problematic in their lives? Who are you to decide what is and isn't a problem when someone has just expressed that they are conflicted about something.
  - mjolk 13y ago
    >In your world. Is it so inconceivable to you that other people might feel different things are problematic in their lives? It's not inconceivable, but I find it absurd that this is topic that a rational actor would feel is worth getting frustrated over. >Who are you to decide what is and isn't a problem when someone has just expressed that they are conflicted about something. Here's the thing: when you say "yeah, the thing you said is a tactic that is commonly used by jerks," the other party is going to take offense. Especially when it comes to feminism, in which being a chicken little just ends up trivializing the problem domain.
    - comrh 13y ago
      Just because you were offended doesn't mean the criticism isn't on point. Nice dig at all of feminism though, again implying the small issues aren't important.
      - mjolk 13y ago
        >Nice dig at all of feminism though, again implying the small issues aren't important. No part of that was a criticism feminism. If anything, I was defending it from you.
        hashbanged 13y ago
        If you think that blogs like this are a threat to feminism, I don't think we're working with the same definition of feminism. Can you please explain how you are defending feminism right now?
    - hashbanged 13y ago
      > rational actor What does economic theory have to do with it? Rational choice theory is about making assumptions about what economic choices people will make when reasoning about people in general. It is a very limited view of human decision making, and have nothing to do with you deciding weather or not someone is rational for getting frustrated over something you don't experience. But it's nice that you dismissed the author as being irrational. That's another common silencing tactic. If you think something is trivial, ignore it.

dwaltrip 13y ago

Surely, there are more interesting things to comment on.