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> And what about the rising cost of electricity? See, this is why I prefer to argue from data in policy discussions. The cost of electricity has been flat or
by thaumaturgy 13y ago
> And what about the rising cost of electricity?
See, this is why I prefer to argue from data in policy discussions.
The cost of electricity has been flat or declining since 1990.
I used the data from http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data.cfm http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data.cfm, specifically http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/avgprice_annual.xls http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/avgprice_annual.xl.... I found that the EIA publishes prices in nominal amounts, i.e., not adjusted for inflation. So, I used the inflation calculator at http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm, and then I plotted electricity prices from 1990 to 2012. That chart is at https://infogr.am/electricity-prices-are-flat https://infogr.am/electricity-prices-are-flat. The yellow line is the raw data from the EIA: the average retail price, in cents per kilowatt-hour, of electricity for all regions and markets. The red line is the inflation-adjusted retail price in cents of the same. (Interesting aside: at a glance, it looks like it's almost entirely the unregulated service providers which are skewing the price of electricity upward.)
> Jevon's Paradox is a straight forward corollary of supply and demand.
A corollary is not data! This is exactly why arguing from ideology is bad: you found something that sounds good, and you believed it, and you never checked to see if it was true.
I insist that you find some data to support your argument, because so far, every single bit of data I can find suggests that Jevon's Paradox is complete bunk.
(aside: "annoyed" is my username there not because of this discussion, but because of the annoying way that infogr.am handles account setup.)
edit: after thinking about it a bit, I think residential electricity usage for lighting should be a great test case for Jevon's Paradox. Although residential lighting is only responsible for something like 1% of domestic electricity usage, there has still been a remarkable change in the efficiency of residential lighting since 1970. If Jevon's Paradox is true, we should see a flat or increased demand for residential electricity for lighting over the same period; if it is not true, as I suspect, we should see an overall decreased demand for electricity for residential lighting. That is: if you're right, then more efficient bulbs should mean that people are leaving the lights on more often or are adding more lighting to their homes, roughly in proportion to the increase in efficiency.
I chose residential lighting because the annual costs are relatively low, compared to heating and cooling (so trends should be resistant to changes in the economy), because bulb efficiency has changed quite a lot over the last several decades, and because more efficient bulbs have been accessible to people in most economic tiers.
Unfortunately, although I can find current data on residential electricity usage for lighting, I haven't been able to find any historic figures.
- AnthonyMouse 13y ago> I found that the EIA publishes prices in nominal amounts, i.e., not adjusted for inflation. So, I used the inflation calculator at http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm, and then I plotted electricity prices from 1990 to 2012. See, this is the problem with data. "Lies, damn lies and statistics." The period from 1990 to 2000 can't help you because electrical consumption significantly increased over that period.[1] From 2000 to 2012 you take an upward sloping graph and try to flatten it by adjusting for inflation. The problem is, it still shows an inflation-adjusted increase of ~10% from 2000 to 2012, and over the same period the inflation-adjusted median income was on the decline.[2] And that's before you account for the loss of personal wealth resulting from the dotcom bust, 9/11, the housing market crash and the consequent lack of credit availability. And even then, all you can say is that electrical consumption failed to increase significantly. There is no reduction over time, the number of MWh generated even increased slightly. [1] http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/ http://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/ [2] http://www.davemanuel.com/median-household-income.php http://www.davemanuel.com/median-household-income.php > after thinking about it a bit, I think residential electricity usage for lighting should be a great test case for Jevon's Paradox. > Unfortunately, although I can find current data on residential electricity usage for lighting, I haven't been able to find any historic figures. Test cases are meaningless anyway. It's a mathematical equation. You can test the degree of the effect, but all you're really testing is the price elasticity of demand in a particular market. It won't be the same number for light bulbs as for air conditioners or for transportation.