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Hmm, this sounds like the old "you shouldn't mind surveillance if you've got nothing to hide" argument.

matthewmacleod 13y ago
Except it's not. This is the "you don't get to complain if you brag about your tax evasion in public and then go to jail" argument.
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- oldstrangers 13y ago
  Except it's exactly the same.
  - swalkergibson 13y ago
    It is not. Tax evasion is an actual crime. The IRS using public signals from social media to determine if somebody is cheating on their taxes is not the same as the NSA tracking your GPS location via your cell phone at all times.
    - oldstrangers 13y ago
      "If you don't have something to hide then you shouldn't mind" ... "They do have something to hide, so fuck them!" is two sides of the same coin.
      - swalkergibson 13y ago
        You are correct. Perhaps I did not make my point clear. If you publicly post pictures of your new Porsche and your newly remodeled kitchen and claim that you only made $10k last year, why should that not be cause for the IRS to take a deeper look? You do not, by definition, have any expectation of privacy in that scenario. If you sent the picture of your new ride in a private message, that is a different story.
- TallGuyShort 13y ago
  Except that I don't evade taxes, and I don't want the IRS using my online presence to profile me and decide if I fit the profile of a tax evader.
  - diminoten 13y ago
    Being afraid they might get things wrong is like being afraid your car might lose its wheel on the highway. Could it happen? Yes. Is it a risk one must take in order to partake in the luxuries of the lifestyle one leads? Yes.
  - gamblor956 13y ago
    The IRS doesn't use your online profile to decide if you're a tax evader. It's simply fearmongering from anti-tax advocates. The IRS doesn't even have the budget to carry out basic audits in which the bulk of the investigational burden is placed on the taxpayer (by means of responding to auto-generated documentation requests). It certainly doesn't have the budget to invest in a high-tech system that could track multiple social media platforms and somehow connect that to financial spending or tax reporting.
reverius42 13y ago
No, this is: "if you have something to hide you should take care to hide it."
genericuser 13y ago
I see it as more of the 'if your problem is that you don't like surveillance, it shouldn't matter who is doing it' as Nike is being stated as a preferable body to have surveillance them than the IRS in a hypothetical worst case scenario for both which appears to involve them being a tax cheat. It is not difficult after all to imagine a situation where the worst case scenario of Nike monitoring you is much worse than the worst case scenario of the IRS monitoring you.

Except it's not. This is the "you don't get to complain if you brag about your tax evasion in public and then go to jail" argument.

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oldstrangers 13y ago
Except it's exactly the same.
- swalkergibson 13y ago
  It is not. Tax evasion is an actual crime. The IRS using public signals from social media to determine if somebody is cheating on their taxes is not the same as the NSA tracking your GPS location via your cell phone at all times.
  - oldstrangers 13y ago
    "If you don't have something to hide then you shouldn't mind" ... "They do have something to hide, so fuck them!" is two sides of the same coin.
    - swalkergibson 13y ago
      You are correct. Perhaps I did not make my point clear. If you publicly post pictures of your new Porsche and your newly remodeled kitchen and claim that you only made $10k last year, why should that not be cause for the IRS to take a deeper look? You do not, by definition, have any expectation of privacy in that scenario. If you sent the picture of your new ride in a private message, that is a different story.
TallGuyShort 13y ago
Except that I don't evade taxes, and I don't want the IRS using my online presence to profile me and decide if I fit the profile of a tax evader.
- diminoten 13y ago
  Being afraid they might get things wrong is like being afraid your car might lose its wheel on the highway. Could it happen? Yes. Is it a risk one must take in order to partake in the luxuries of the lifestyle one leads? Yes.
- gamblor956 13y ago
  The IRS doesn't use your online profile to decide if you're a tax evader. It's simply fearmongering from anti-tax advocates. The IRS doesn't even have the budget to carry out basic audits in which the bulk of the investigational burden is placed on the taxpayer (by means of responding to auto-generated documentation requests). It certainly doesn't have the budget to invest in a high-tech system that could track multiple social media platforms and somehow connect that to financial spending or tax reporting.

reverius42 13y ago

No, this is: "if you have something to hide you should take care to hide it."

genericuser 13y ago

I see it as more of the 'if your problem is that you don't like surveillance, it shouldn't matter who is doing it' as Nike is being stated as a preferable body to have surveillance them than the IRS in a hypothetical worst case scenario for both which appears to involve them being a tax cheat. It is not difficult after all to imagine a situation where the worst case scenario of Nike monitoring you is much worse than the worst case scenario of the IRS monitoring you.