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this was no a cop out on Time's part. Francis does have/will have a more far reaching effect than Edward Snodwen. The value of Snowden's revelation is that peop

this was no a cop out on Time's part. Francis does have/will have a more far reaching effect than Edward Snodwen. The value of Snowden's revelation is that people can no longer just laugh about being spied on, all countries have simply been proven to do so. The danger here is that far too many will again just laugh it off as they justify to themselves they cannot do anything about it and worse really just don't care to expend the effort.

xtreme 13y ago
I am genuinely interested in why you think pope Francis has far more effect. There has been many popes in the recent past, how many people even remember their names? Pope Francis is trying to change some policies which might have a larger impact, but we are yet to see that. I would argue that Snowden's revelations are more unique and had an impact similar to 9/11.
- notahacker 13y ago
  There are an awful lot of people that care passionately about what the leader of the Catholic Church - notional membership 1.16Bn - is saying whilst being pretty indifferent to the US government having the ability to intercept their communications (or unsurprised that it's the case) even once you'd explained who Snowden was and why his revelations mattered.
  - rhizome 13y ago
    It's not just the US who is intercepting communications, it's at least the Five (plus) Eyes signatories[1]. Also, you can't have it both ways and say Catholics care passionately about the Pope but surveilled citizens are too jaded to care when comparing the effects of the two. How many Catholics are indifferent to the Pope, care passionately about governments surveilling their citizens? 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes#War_on_Terror_.282001.E2.80.93present.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes#War_on_Terror_.282001...
rhizome 13y ago
Francis does have/will have a more far reaching effect than Edward Snodwen How much more?

xtreme 13y ago

I am genuinely interested in why you think pope Francis has far more effect. There has been many popes in the recent past, how many people even remember their names? Pope Francis is trying to change some policies which might have a larger impact, but we are yet to see that. I would argue that Snowden's revelations are more unique and had an impact similar to 9/11.

notahacker 13y ago
There are an awful lot of people that care passionately about what the leader of the Catholic Church - notional membership 1.16Bn - is saying whilst being pretty indifferent to the US government having the ability to intercept their communications (or unsurprised that it's the case) even once you'd explained who Snowden was and why his revelations mattered.
- rhizome 13y ago
  It's not just the US who is intercepting communications, it's at least the Five (plus) Eyes signatories[1]. Also, you can't have it both ways and say Catholics care passionately about the Pope but surveilled citizens are too jaded to care when comparing the effects of the two. How many Catholics are indifferent to the Pope, care passionately about governments surveilling their citizens? 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes#War_on_Terror_.282001.E2.80.93present.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes#War_on_Terror_.282001...

rhizome 13y ago

Francis does have/will have a more far reaching effect than Edward Snodwen How much more?