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From the contractor PoV odesk (and maybe others as well) really sucks - rates are rather low. I've seen quite experienced engineers applying with rates in $15-3
by zerr 13y ago
From the contractor PoV odesk (and maybe others as well) really sucks - rates are rather low. I've seen quite experienced engineers applying with rates in $15-30/hr range. And clients hiring history also shows that they are cheap.
From my experience, it is much profitable to stay out from these sites and search/apply to remote jobs independently - you get by order of magnitude higher pay.
- mattbarrie 13y agoYou need to turn the paradigm around frankly, and hire through these sites rather than bid for work in a big pond.
- sergiotapia 13y agoI work as a Rails consultant exclusively on oDesk. How do you guarantee payment when jobs are found independently? Who's to say you aren't scammed out of money you're owed especially if you're not even in the US (or client country)?
- zerr 13y agoYou can't. And you shouldn't trust some John Doe and deliver the full solution upfront. I personally look for long-term tasks from "legitimate" companies. After some initial collaboration, you and the company naturally begin to trust each other. E.g. I'm paid hourly, but I don't use any control mechanism for that (like that odesk screensnapper and keylogger, ridiculous...). I just state how many hours I worked for some task and that's it. If I were a web developer, I definitively apply for many remote web dev jobs you can find on HN's Who is Hiring thread. Try next month - and double your odesk rate.
- sergiotapia 13y agoI'll definitely try that, by the way - you don't happen to be looking for a full-stack Rails developer would you? :) Native english, expat from boston. I'm looking for a long term commitment project at the moment (40hrs/week).
- zerr 13y agoNot me, sorry. I'm still on the contractor side of the life so far :) You can also find bunch of Rails jobs at WeWorkRemotely. I'm for C++/core engineering jobs, which are quite rare in REMOTE space.
- xtrumanx 13y ago> like that odesk screensnapper and keylogger Wait, what? Can you expand on that because if it's what it sounds like oDesk should be on every freelancers' shit list.
- sergiotapia 13y agoYou open an application that measure keyboard and mouse activity and takes a screenshot of your desktop every ~10 minutes. Personally I like it. Guaranteed payment and no hassle over time tracking. I just work and get paid, what's not to love? I don't even need something like HarvestApp or PaydirtApp. I just work.
- zerr 13y agoAnd if activity (nbr of keypresses and clicks) is below certain threshold (50%?), payment is not guaranteed.
- bdcravens 13y agoYou may want to look at sites with curated projects, like LetsWorkshop.com or Gun.io.
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- poopsintub 13y agoI believe Freelancer makes you give a credit card or a down payment before accepting bids.
- mattbarrie 13y agoThat's incorrect.