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When in doubt, always remember that John C. Dvorak is a complete jackass.
by calambrac 17y ago
When in doubt, always remember that John C. Dvorak is a complete jackass.
- luigi 17y agoTim O'Reilly agrees: http://twitter.com/timoreilly/status/3270411756 http://twitter.com/timoreilly/status/3270411756
- socratees 17y agoYes, he got his degree from University or Maryland University College in 2001. And what about the biology degree?
- TomOfTTB 17y agoI don't know. Dvorak's an idiot but O'Reilly's belief that you can determine how qualified someone is for the highest technology post in the U.S. after "a few minutes" seems just as foolish.
- DanielBMarkham 17y agoPlease don't attack the messenger, even for a bad story. Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying, slandering him doesn't make your case any better. After all, if he screws this one up, he's going to have a very hard time getting respectability and credibility for future articles. That punishment is enough.
- pavs 17y agoThis is not the first time he "screwed up".
- DanielBMarkham 17y agoThen politely point out the times he did beforehand. Did he not do enough research and make a politically-charged article in the past? Then that's germane to the conversation. We'd like to hear about it. But calling somebody a jackass is not.
- eli 17y agoOne amusing incident was when he took Microsoft to task for creating a "System Idle Process" that uses up all his available CPU time. That's about the time I stopped reading his column. There are many other examples: http://www.google.com/search?q=john+dvorak+idiot http://www.google.com/search?q=john+dvorak+idiot or http://www.google.com/search?q=john+dvorak+moron http://www.google.com/search?q=john+dvorak+moron
- pavs 17y agoSomeone already pointed out his "screw ups" so I will not repeat them. Anyone who "screws up" quite a lot I think it is fair to call him a jackass. ie, Arrington
- sophacles 17y agoNo, it's ok to call them incompetent. However it is ok to call self-admitted trolls jackasses, so you're safe :-P
- calambrac 17y agoIt takes more than one bad story to establish yourself as a complete jackass. Dvorak finished the necessary legwork for that designation years ago.
- jhancock 17y agoI hear you, but Dvorak did publish a slander against Kundra based simply on his rudimentary queries. This is hardly good journalism. from the article: "But I was able to verify Kundra's degree with just a few phone calls in under two hours." If your going to publish something so incendiary, you really must do your homework.
- DanielBMarkham 17y agoSure thing. That's the way it looks here too. So now he's got to live with this Charlie Foxtrot for the rest of his life. Digging down into the sewer with him and throwing it around some doesn't help anybody.
- calambrac 17y agoAll the other "Charlie Foxtrots" (btw, wtf?) that he's perpetrated up until now, he doesn't have to live with those? How many inflammatory fuckups does a person get to commit before its fair game to point out that they're a jackass?
- jgrahamc 17y agoCharlie Foxtrot is phonetic speak for CF which is sometimes used to mean cluster fuck.
- DanielBMarkham 17y agoI believe that's for you to answer, since you're the one calling him one. What's your number? Three? Four? Guy might end up losing his job and being a mockery the rest of his life and all you've got to offer is to pile on? What is this, kindergarten?
- davidw 17y agoWasn't he one of the 'journalists' who bought into the SCO vs Linux thing? One way to not risk your job and reputation is to be very careful prior to publishing lies about people in widely circulated publications.
- gehant 17y agoDvorak was more than a messenger he was the creator & instigator... Would you argue he's just "blogging" so fact-based reporting is optional? Dvorak was pushing the limits of responsible journalism (similar to TechCrunch at times). We agree on one thing: his credibility is taking a huge hit, rightfully so.
- technomancy 17y agoHe's trading credibility for ad hits. If that's his intention, he's doing a great job of it.
- gruseom 17y agoI think this comment is perverse. Please don't attack the messenger That phrase has always referred to someone delivering an unwanted truth. There was no "message" here at all, and no "messenger". "Please don't attack the libeler" would be more accurate. That doesn't pack the same pseudo-compassionate punch, does it? Unless you have proof that Dvorak was purposely lying That is an impossibly high and irrelevant bar. Gross irresponsibility, incompetence, and total disrespect for the truth aren't enough for you? slandering him Wow. That's a rich use of the word "slander", considering the activity this guy was just engaging in.
- DanielBMarkham 17y agoSorry -- strange as this may seem, I don't read Dvorak. I don't know him from Adam. Seems like a lot of other people do, though, and have strong opinions!
- gruseom 17y agoI don't know anything about him either. My opinion has nothing to do with Dvorak. It has to do with your painting him as a victim of defamation when he obviously was the one doing the defaming.
- DanielBMarkham 17y agoThis gets directly into motivation, as I pointed out. If Dvorak purposely defamed somebody, that's one thing. I'd love to hear evidence about that. If, on the other hand, he was just being sloppy, then it's a mistake. Let it go. All this name-calling says more about the name-callers than it does about Dvorak. People who are sloppy and get slammed don't "deserve" it. Screw-ups happen. I'm perfectly willing to let some columnist I don't read the benefit of the doubt of screwing up. In return, I'd appreciate it if people gave me the same benefit of the doubt. This is just common sense. Look at it this way -- isn't this an excellent example of the net publishing bad information and then correcting itself almost immediately? With any other story, people would be talking about how much better we have things now than when we only had printed media.
- missile 17y agoTruth, according to the law, is a complete defense against slander. With that in mind: Dvorak is a moron.
- tokenadult 17y agoPlease don't attack the messenger, even for a bad story. Yes. The source may prompt more fact-checking about the reported facts than some other source, but as I have said before, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=555734 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=555734 Consider the radical possibility that any person you disagree with in general might accidentally make a correct factual statement in a particular case.
- AndrewO 17y agoYeah, let's not forget this is the guy we're talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAWDYaWAVQQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAWDYaWAVQQ ("John Dvorak admits to baiting Mac users for hits") Keep those clicks coming in!
- Rawsock 17y agoExactly. John C. Dvorak is a professional internet troll disguised as a tech journalist. He uses misinformed rants ( or "controversial opinions" if you like the euphemism better ) as a source of hits. He has trolled the FLOSS and Mac communities for years. But trolling the White House ?. That's effing crazy.