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I think your point is (paraphrasing), we canned a very productive engineer and manager over his un-PC views expressed in his personal life, but which no one at

I think your point is (paraphrasing), we canned a very productive engineer and manager over his un-PC views expressed in his personal life, but which no one at his organization was affected by; and in return, since none of the people criticizing him or pushing for his departure has the ability to truly replace his talent, we have the prospect of the unproductive people criticizing the people who actually get things done. How accurate am I in understanding your view?

rjzzleep 13y ago
i think the real bitter irony here is that brendan eich not only helped build, but also protected the platform that helped oust him. when i say the platform, I don't mean the web, I mean the open web, where you can freely express yourself as aggressively as you want(which is a good thing). not to step on anyones toes, but we effectively ousted a very productive engineer from a company he helped found to replace him with a marketing guy(no offense really, i know he's been with mozilla forever, and loyalty deserves to be rewarded). i really hope i won't have this moment in 10 years thinking back, man where did mozilla ideals move so much away from mine, and i know everyone is going to jump on this part of cynic good ol me, especially all the mozillians here, but i still very well remember the time i spent in irc ~20 years ago, where the people thinking about mass surveillance were a select few stamped as insane anti social paranoid geeks.
king_jester 13y ago
> but which no one at his organization was affected by; Uh what? There are most certainly LGBTQ folks who work for Mozilla in some capacity or another and they most certainly are affected by nationally focused political efforts to deny them access to a basic institution.
- Crito 13y ago
  Particularly any LGBTQ Mozilla employees that lived in the state of California between 2008 and 2013, which I assume is many of them.
- patrickg_zill 13y ago
  He didn't treat anyone differently as a result of their orientation, is what I meant to say; and there were many statements to that effect from inside Mozilla (of course, since I don't work there and don't have the inside scoop, this is based on what was reported). Sorry, I wasn't clear about that.
wonderzombie 13y ago
Un-PC is a nice way to gloss over actively denying a group of people their human rights on a half-assed reading of a religious text. And who the heck are you to make such a blanket statement about who's productive and who isn't? It's a false dichotomy. Moreover your statement evokes an incredible amount of arrogance and hubris.

rjzzleep 13y ago

i think the real bitter irony here is that brendan eich not only helped build, but also protected the platform that helped oust him. when i say the platform, I don't mean the web, I mean the open web, where you can freely express yourself as aggressively as you want(which is a good thing). not to step on anyones toes, but we effectively ousted a very productive engineer from a company he helped found to replace him with a marketing guy(no offense really, i know he's been with mozilla forever, and loyalty deserves to be rewarded). i really hope i won't have this moment in 10 years thinking back, man where did mozilla ideals move so much away from mine, and i know everyone is going to jump on this part of cynic good ol me, especially all the mozillians here, but i still very well remember the time i spent in irc ~20 years ago, where the people thinking about mass surveillance were a select few stamped as insane anti social paranoid geeks.

king_jester 13y ago

> but which no one at his organization was affected by; Uh what? There are most certainly LGBTQ folks who work for Mozilla in some capacity or another and they most certainly are affected by nationally focused political efforts to deny them access to a basic institution.

Crito 13y ago
Particularly any LGBTQ Mozilla employees that lived in the state of California between 2008 and 2013, which I assume is many of them.
patrickg_zill 13y ago
He didn't treat anyone differently as a result of their orientation, is what I meant to say; and there were many statements to that effect from inside Mozilla (of course, since I don't work there and don't have the inside scoop, this is based on what was reported). Sorry, I wasn't clear about that.

wonderzombie 13y ago

Un-PC is a nice way to gloss over actively denying a group of people their human rights on a half-assed reading of a religious text. And who the heck are you to make such a blanket statement about who's productive and who isn't? It's a false dichotomy. Moreover your statement evokes an incredible amount of arrogance and hubris.