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Sublime text is really nice, but I can't bring myself to ditching vim for Sublime, even with a nice, keyboard-shortcutted workflow. Vim is just way too fast fo

Sublime text is really nice, but I can't bring myself to ditching vim for Sublime, even with a nice, keyboard-shortcutted workflow. Vim is just way too fast for me to leave.

atom-morgan 13y ago
Have you ever tried Vim mode in ST?
- aninhumer 13y ago
  Vintage mode pretty much sucks for any proficient vim user. It implements only a fraction of the commands, and doesn't integrate properly with ST's features. The most obvious flaw for me was that insert mode doesn't record any text generated by ST's completion, so if you try to repeat the action, you get the gibberish you actually typed. Don't get me wrong. I love ST, and Vintage mode was what convinced me to try it. But ultimately it was far more frustrating to have only half of my muscle memory work in Vintage than it was to just learn the ST way.
  - atom-morgan 13y ago
    TBH, I agree with everything you said but was hoping that maybe you could convince me otherwise. I guess not. It seems everyone hates ST's vim mode.
- jbeja 13y ago
  It sucks, and Vintageous the new implementation have so many bugs and is pretty much unusable from the first install, also it take some time to load every time i start sublime text.
  - doktrin 13y ago
    I stopped using Vintageous as soon as I found myself unable to alias 'jj' to 'esc'.
    - hornbaker 13y ago
      This ('kj') works great for me in User Keybindings with ST3 and Vintageous: { "keys": ["k", "j"], "command": "_enter_normal_mode", "args": {"mode": "mode_insert"}, "context": [{"key": "vi_insert_mode_aware"}] } I was a heavy VIM user prior to making the switch to ST2 and then ST3, and haven't really found any vim blockers with ST3/Vintageous.
    - nuclear_eclipse 12y ago
      https://github.com/guillermooo/Vintageous/wiki/Using-jj-instead-of-Esc https://github.com/guillermooo/Vintageous/wiki/Using-jj-inst...
kzisme 13y ago
How much of a speed difference is It say, going from vim to ST?
Gracana 13y ago
I'm in the same boat. ST has neat features, but I'm so comfortable with vim, and even if I switch to ST I will still end up using vim on remote machines. I've tried to make the switch, but it just seems to make my life more difficult.
EC1 13y ago
I've always hesitated on VIM because it seems like such a behemoth to learn. Do you have any resources/guides to using/setting up/customizing VIM?
- adem 13y ago
  The only thing you need to read about Vim to get started is here: http://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/Learn-Vim-Progressively/ http://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/Learn-Vim-Progressiv..., the rest is learned pretty much by the following principle: 1. Detect inefficiency for a particular task 2. Find a faster way to do it 3. Make it a habit You can learn more about this approach in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6K4iIMlouI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6K4iIMlouI
  - EC1 13y ago
    Awesome thank you very much.
    - adem 12y ago
      Now if you really wanna get that extra motivation, I highly recommend you to watch this introduction by Derek Wyatt. For me, a few minutes into the video were enough to stick to all of his videos, truly amazing guy. vimeo.com/6999927 I hope this is not too off-topic in a ST thread.
      - EC1 12y ago
        I don't think so. I'll be watching anything you kind people linked me.
  - jsissom 13y ago
    Those are the exact same steps it would take to learn to use Sublime Text!
    - aninhumer 12y ago
jbeja 13y ago
Same here, try and configured sublime text 3 to my liking but never give me a good reason to leave vim.
mkehrt 13y ago
I find that CommandT (a vim package to emulate Sublime's cmd-t) and getting autocomplete working nicely gets me 95% of the Sublime features I cared about, so I moved back to vim about a month ago after eight months of Sublime.
- apineda 13y ago
  How does autocomplete work in vim? I use vim all the time but have shied away from plugins. I feel they will confuse me and make it difficult to separate native functionality from plugin. With that being said, I also think it's time for me to bite the bullet.
ewood 13y ago
I downloaded Sublime 2 yesterday and gave it a try. I'm a Vim user and I was just interested what else is around. I found it very slow on both OSX and Xubuntu, there are annoying things like the right click menu hanging sometimes, plugins slowing down the entire program, and the folder sidebar not updating when using SSHFS. The whole experience was just too inconsistent for me to drop Vim, even with Vintage mode and the extended plugin it was a poor substitute. I do really like Sublime's mini-map but I doubt that it is enough to get me to switch.

Sublime text is really nice, but I can't bring myself to ditching vim for Sublime, even with a nice, keyboard-shortcutted workflow. Vim is just way too fast for me to leave.

atom-morgan 13y ago

Have you ever tried Vim mode in ST?

aninhumer 13y ago
Vintage mode pretty much sucks for any proficient vim user. It implements only a fraction of the commands, and doesn't integrate properly with ST's features. The most obvious flaw for me was that insert mode doesn't record any text generated by ST's completion, so if you try to repeat the action, you get the gibberish you actually typed. Don't get me wrong. I love ST, and Vintage mode was what convinced me to try it. But ultimately it was far more frustrating to have only half of my muscle memory work in Vintage than it was to just learn the ST way.
- atom-morgan 13y ago
  TBH, I agree with everything you said but was hoping that maybe you could convince me otherwise. I guess not. It seems everyone hates ST's vim mode.
jbeja 13y ago
It sucks, and Vintageous the new implementation have so many bugs and is pretty much unusable from the first install, also it take some time to load every time i start sublime text.
- doktrin 13y ago
  I stopped using Vintageous as soon as I found myself unable to alias 'jj' to 'esc'.
  - hornbaker 13y ago
    This ('kj') works great for me in User Keybindings with ST3 and Vintageous: { "keys": ["k", "j"], "command": "_enter_normal_mode", "args": {"mode": "mode_insert"}, "context": [{"key": "vi_insert_mode_aware"}] } I was a heavy VIM user prior to making the switch to ST2 and then ST3, and haven't really found any vim blockers with ST3/Vintageous.
  - nuclear_eclipse 12y ago
    https://github.com/guillermooo/Vintageous/wiki/Using-jj-instead-of-Esc https://github.com/guillermooo/Vintageous/wiki/Using-jj-inst...

kzisme 13y ago

How much of a speed difference is It say, going from vim to ST?

Gracana 13y ago

I'm in the same boat. ST has neat features, but I'm so comfortable with vim, and even if I switch to ST I will still end up using vim on remote machines. I've tried to make the switch, but it just seems to make my life more difficult.

EC1 13y ago

I've always hesitated on VIM because it seems like such a behemoth to learn. Do you have any resources/guides to using/setting up/customizing VIM?

adem 13y ago
The only thing you need to read about Vim to get started is here: http://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/Learn-Vim-Progressively/ http://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/Learn-Vim-Progressiv..., the rest is learned pretty much by the following principle: 1. Detect inefficiency for a particular task 2. Find a faster way to do it 3. Make it a habit You can learn more about this approach in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6K4iIMlouI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6K4iIMlouI
- EC1 13y ago
  Awesome thank you very much.
  - adem 12y ago
    Now if you really wanna get that extra motivation, I highly recommend you to watch this introduction by Derek Wyatt. For me, a few minutes into the video were enough to stick to all of his videos, truly amazing guy. vimeo.com/6999927 I hope this is not too off-topic in a ST thread.
    - EC1 12y ago
      I don't think so. I'll be watching anything you kind people linked me.
- jsissom 13y ago
  Those are the exact same steps it would take to learn to use Sublime Text!
  - aninhumer 12y ago

jbeja 13y ago

Same here, try and configured sublime text 3 to my liking but never give me a good reason to leave vim.

mkehrt 13y ago

I find that CommandT (a vim package to emulate Sublime's cmd-t) and getting autocomplete working nicely gets me 95% of the Sublime features I cared about, so I moved back to vim about a month ago after eight months of Sublime.

apineda 13y ago
How does autocomplete work in vim? I use vim all the time but have shied away from plugins. I feel they will confuse me and make it difficult to separate native functionality from plugin. With that being said, I also think it's time for me to bite the bullet.

ewood 13y ago

I downloaded Sublime 2 yesterday and gave it a try. I'm a Vim user and I was just interested what else is around. I found it very slow on both OSX and Xubuntu, there are annoying things like the right click menu hanging sometimes, plugins slowing down the entire program, and the folder sidebar not updating when using SSHFS. The whole experience was just too inconsistent for me to drop Vim, even with Vintage mode and the extended plugin it was a poor substitute. I do really like Sublime's mini-map but I doubt that it is enough to get me to switch.