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The moment they start to integrate somekind of ads (yes, I heard the rumor/plans) in Firefox they are dead. It doesn't even matter if they don't track, aren't i

The moment they start to integrate somekind of ads (yes, I heard the rumor/plans) in Firefox they are dead. It doesn't even matter if they don't track, aren't intrusive or whatever. The users will run away.

huhtenberg 12y ago
This already happened. http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-to-deliver-ads-in-its-firefox-browser-7000026216/ http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-to-deliver-ads-in-its-firefox-b...
- nnethercote 12y ago
  Depends on your definition of "happened", I guess. It was announced, but no patches implementing anything like this have landed in any code repositories, let alone been released.
  - huhtenberg 12y ago
    It's a statement of direction. It is far more troubling than any specific patch that adds ads.
kevingadd 12y ago
Run away to what? An ad-supported, privacy-undermining browser like Chrome? A constantly outdated and insecure browser like IE? Safari? Don't be ridiculous.
- sleepyhead 12y ago
  What is ridiculous about Safari?
  - kevingadd 12y ago
    See ygg2's response above. Safari is only an option for people willing to lock themselves into Apple's (increasingly closed-off) walled garden.
    - rimantas 12y ago
      How does this even make sense? Safari is an option for everyone using OS X.
    - rbanffy 12y ago
      I use a Mac and I am not one of the "willing to lock themselves into Apple's" crowd. I use a Mac because it's reasonably fast, exceptionally well-built and has a reasonably good Unix OS (a very good one if you count MacPorts).
    - sleepyhead 12y ago
      So I should call a browser ridiculous if it only runs on Linux? The great thing about the web is that we can enjoy it from whatever browser we choose.
- elliottkember 12y ago
  I'm with sleepyhead - what exactly is wrong with Safari? I'm a web developer and I use Safari almost exclusively. Hardware-accelerated (on OSX, anyway), good performance, accurate rendering, no privacy intrusions.
  - Ygg2 12y ago
    Does it run on Linux? Or Windows for starters?
    - mccr8 12y ago
      No, it currently ships only on iOS and OSX.
      - Ygg2 12y ago
        That was kinda the point. It has no presence outside of Apple products. Even Opera uses Blink as base.
        sleepyhead 12y ago
        Why is it a problem that you cannot use Safari on other platforms? The web was made to be used from many clients. I don't see the problem here.
    - dagurp 12y ago
      http://support.apple.com/kb/dl1531 http://support.apple.com/kb/dl1531
  - kevingadd 12y ago
    Safari's a joke. Only runs on mac, ships support for key platform features late (and ships subpar support when it comes to things like video/audio codecs), and delivers slower performance. I respect the JSC team a lot but Safari is an active hindrance to anyone trying to ship HTML5 games. It's just a poor-quality browser.
- techsupporter 12y ago
  IE is outdated and insecure? IE6 - IE8 could have that label applied but IE9 - IE11 have incorporated major web standards, are quite fast, and have closed many security holes. At least you gave reasons for swiping at IE, what's up with Safari?
  - kevingadd 12y ago
    Safari doesn't solve anything for people not willing to lock themselves into the Apple walled garden (at present, the vast majority of desktop/laptop computer users) Modern IE is a lot better than old IE, certainly; it runs some small subset of HTML5 applications, the javascript performance is adequate, and they have a faster release cycle. However, it still updates less often than Firefox/Chrome, has a worse security track record, and introduces new features on a longer delay. Moving to IE wouldn't make Firefox users any safer or better-served.
    - rbanffy 12y ago
      And let's not forget IE, like Safari, is platform-locked. Safari, at least, runs on OSX while IE users have to endure Windows. Most of them don't seem to care.
- rimantas 12y ago
  So you say Mozilla is not ad-supported and the most of its money don't come from Google? Interesting, tell me more.
- dTal 12y ago
  Chromium? Perhaps a bit feature-light like Chrome, but certainly not ad-supported or privacy-undermining.

huhtenberg 12y ago

This already happened. http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-to-deliver-ads-in-its-firefox-browser-7000026216/ http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-to-deliver-ads-in-its-firefox-b...

nnethercote 12y ago
Depends on your definition of "happened", I guess. It was announced, but no patches implementing anything like this have landed in any code repositories, let alone been released.
- huhtenberg 12y ago
  It's a statement of direction. It is far more troubling than any specific patch that adds ads.

kevingadd 12y ago

Run away to what? An ad-supported, privacy-undermining browser like Chrome? A constantly outdated and insecure browser like IE? Safari? Don't be ridiculous.

sleepyhead 12y ago
What is ridiculous about Safari?
- kevingadd 12y ago
  See ygg2's response above. Safari is only an option for people willing to lock themselves into Apple's (increasingly closed-off) walled garden.
  - rimantas 12y ago
    How does this even make sense? Safari is an option for everyone using OS X.
  - rbanffy 12y ago
    I use a Mac and I am not one of the "willing to lock themselves into Apple's" crowd. I use a Mac because it's reasonably fast, exceptionally well-built and has a reasonably good Unix OS (a very good one if you count MacPorts).
  - sleepyhead 12y ago
    So I should call a browser ridiculous if it only runs on Linux? The great thing about the web is that we can enjoy it from whatever browser we choose.
elliottkember 12y ago
I'm with sleepyhead - what exactly is wrong with Safari? I'm a web developer and I use Safari almost exclusively. Hardware-accelerated (on OSX, anyway), good performance, accurate rendering, no privacy intrusions.
- Ygg2 12y ago
  Does it run on Linux? Or Windows for starters?
  - mccr8 12y ago
    No, it currently ships only on iOS and OSX.
    - Ygg2 12y ago
      That was kinda the point. It has no presence outside of Apple products. Even Opera uses Blink as base.
      - sleepyhead 12y ago
        Why is it a problem that you cannot use Safari on other platforms? The web was made to be used from many clients. I don't see the problem here.
  - dagurp 12y ago
    http://support.apple.com/kb/dl1531 http://support.apple.com/kb/dl1531
- kevingadd 12y ago
  Safari's a joke. Only runs on mac, ships support for key platform features late (and ships subpar support when it comes to things like video/audio codecs), and delivers slower performance. I respect the JSC team a lot but Safari is an active hindrance to anyone trying to ship HTML5 games. It's just a poor-quality browser.
techsupporter 12y ago
IE is outdated and insecure? IE6 - IE8 could have that label applied but IE9 - IE11 have incorporated major web standards, are quite fast, and have closed many security holes. At least you gave reasons for swiping at IE, what's up with Safari?
- kevingadd 12y ago
  Safari doesn't solve anything for people not willing to lock themselves into the Apple walled garden (at present, the vast majority of desktop/laptop computer users) Modern IE is a lot better than old IE, certainly; it runs some small subset of HTML5 applications, the javascript performance is adequate, and they have a faster release cycle. However, it still updates less often than Firefox/Chrome, has a worse security track record, and introduces new features on a longer delay. Moving to IE wouldn't make Firefox users any safer or better-served.
  - rbanffy 12y ago
    And let's not forget IE, like Safari, is platform-locked. Safari, at least, runs on OSX while IE users have to endure Windows. Most of them don't seem to care.
rimantas 12y ago
So you say Mozilla is not ad-supported and the most of its money don't come from Google? Interesting, tell me more.
dTal 12y ago
Chromium? Perhaps a bit feature-light like Chrome, but certainly not ad-supported or privacy-undermining.