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This was exactly the explanation from Mozilla side and it makes sense. The reason for the decision was people telling "my internet stopped working" (white pages

by jakub_g 13y ago

This was exactly the explanation from Mozilla side and it makes sense. The reason for the decision was people telling "my internet stopped working" (white pages) once they've disabled JS by accident.

72deluxe 13y ago
It's an interesting thought: should we be dumbing down everything or just engaging in a bit of education instead and helping people understand what JavaScript does and its use on web pages? The manual for my car mentions things that must be done for maintenance. They don't dumb it down. Meanwhile in computer land we hide all options and dumb everything down to "protect" the user. There is a difference between being easy to use and molly-coddling. It is a difficult balance to get it seems!
- AndrewDucker 13y ago
  Exactly. In order to do complex tasks you get out the manual, open the hood, and get to work. And in order to do something equally complex in Mozilla you grab the help, open about:config and get to work. Your car doesn't put complex details on the dashboard, and neither should Mozilla.
- masklinn 13y ago
  > It's an interesting thought: should we be dumbing down everything This is not a case of "dumbing down everything", the ability to remove javascript is still there, what is not there is one (of formerly 3) often inadvertently used method for it. > The manual for my car mentions things that must be done for maintenance. Disabling javascript is not maintenance, it's a significant structural change in the browser's abilities, like removing the car's suspension. And it makes no sense to put that as a switch on the car's dash.
- quanticle 13y ago
  >The manual for my car mentions things that must be done for maintenance. Your car has a manual that describes maintenance. It doesn't have a button next to the radio that ejects the engine.
- varkson 13y ago
  Who reads a car manual? If you want to continue that, you could consider the manual to be about:config. No one is stopping you from reading the manual or going to about:config, but it's not required.
- pjc50 13y ago
  If you want something used by millions of people, you have to make it as simple as possible. Insisting that people learn about the invisible internals is more likely to put them off using it than to result in them learning.
kijin 13y ago
Too many people mistakenly disable JavaScript every time a Java vulnerability hits the news, and there was a period not too long ago when a new Java vuln seemed to appear every other week. It was around this time that the "disable JavaScript" option disappeared from Firefox.

by jakub_g 13y ago

This was exactly the explanation from Mozilla side and it makes sense. The reason for the decision was people telling "my internet stopped working" (white pages) once they've disabled JS by accident.

72deluxe 13y ago

It's an interesting thought: should we be dumbing down everything or just engaging in a bit of education instead and helping people understand what JavaScript does and its use on web pages? The manual for my car mentions things that must be done for maintenance. They don't dumb it down. Meanwhile in computer land we hide all options and dumb everything down to "protect" the user. There is a difference between being easy to use and molly-coddling. It is a difficult balance to get it seems!

AndrewDucker 13y ago
Exactly. In order to do complex tasks you get out the manual, open the hood, and get to work. And in order to do something equally complex in Mozilla you grab the help, open about:config and get to work. Your car doesn't put complex details on the dashboard, and neither should Mozilla.
masklinn 13y ago
> It's an interesting thought: should we be dumbing down everything This is not a case of "dumbing down everything", the ability to remove javascript is still there, what is not there is one (of formerly 3) often inadvertently used method for it. > The manual for my car mentions things that must be done for maintenance. Disabling javascript is not maintenance, it's a significant structural change in the browser's abilities, like removing the car's suspension. And it makes no sense to put that as a switch on the car's dash.
quanticle 13y ago
>The manual for my car mentions things that must be done for maintenance. Your car has a manual that describes maintenance. It doesn't have a button next to the radio that ejects the engine.
varkson 13y ago
Who reads a car manual? If you want to continue that, you could consider the manual to be about:config. No one is stopping you from reading the manual or going to about:config, but it's not required.
pjc50 13y ago
If you want something used by millions of people, you have to make it as simple as possible. Insisting that people learn about the invisible internals is more likely to put them off using it than to result in them learning.

kijin 13y ago

Too many people mistakenly disable JavaScript every time a Java vulnerability hits the news, and there was a period not too long ago when a new Java vuln seemed to appear every other week. It was around this time that the "disable JavaScript" option disappeared from Firefox.