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I was curious about the RAV4 EV comment so some googling turned up this: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/throwing-money-at-electrics-feature http://www.car

by Danieru 13y ago

I was curious about the RAV4 EV comment so some googling turned up this: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/throwing-money-at-electrics-feature http://www.caranddriver.com/features/throwing-money-at-elect...

dm2 13y ago
Wow, why are the big automotive companies so bad at making a good looking electric vehicle? Or are we just spoiled with the looks of the Model S? From the article you linked to: "GM is reportedly losing more than $40,000 on each Volt" WHAT?
- mikeash 13y ago
  Also, "Not even Tesla has made money from building its slick Model S." Smells like funny accounting.
  - dm2 13y ago
    Apparently they're adding in R&D. http://jalopnik.com/5942352/gm-isnt-really-loosing-all-that-cash-with-each-volt http://jalopnik.com/5942352/gm-isnt-really-loosing-all-that-...
    - mikeash 13y ago
      I just stumbled across that same info, came to post it, and saw your reply. Stuff like this really makes me wonder about the authors of articles like this. Are they actually so stupid that they think it's reasonable to allocate the entire R&D effort to 20,000 cars sold to date? Do they know better, but are trying to make GM look bad for some reason, and think their readers are that stupid? It's just so weird.
robterrell 13y ago
The RAV4 EV is Toyota's California compliance car -- that is to say, in the state of CA, any auto manufacturer must sell a certain % of their sales as zero emission cars. For Toyota, that meant 2300 or so cars. They ended up putting a RAV4 body/interior on top of Tesla-sourced frame, motor and battery back: the $50k RAV4 EV. It's been a lousy seller. Toyota only sold 26 vehicles in December, so they've got huge incentives. Currently the incentive is $16,000 IIRC. You can lease the RAV4 EV for $299 per month with $3500 due at signing. I drive a Fiat 500e, which is a fantastic electric car ($199 lease!) but anytime I'm loading up kids and groceries I wish I had one of those cheap pseudo Teslas.

by Danieru 13y ago

dm2 13y ago

Wow, why are the big automotive companies so bad at making a good looking electric vehicle? Or are we just spoiled with the looks of the Model S? From the article you linked to: "GM is reportedly losing more than $40,000 on each Volt" WHAT?

mikeash 13y ago
Also, "Not even Tesla has made money from building its slick Model S." Smells like funny accounting.
- dm2 13y ago
  Apparently they're adding in R&D. http://jalopnik.com/5942352/gm-isnt-really-loosing-all-that-cash-with-each-volt http://jalopnik.com/5942352/gm-isnt-really-loosing-all-that-...
  - mikeash 13y ago
    I just stumbled across that same info, came to post it, and saw your reply. Stuff like this really makes me wonder about the authors of articles like this. Are they actually so stupid that they think it's reasonable to allocate the entire R&D effort to 20,000 cars sold to date? Do they know better, but are trying to make GM look bad for some reason, and think their readers are that stupid? It's just so weird.

robterrell 13y ago

The RAV4 EV is Toyota's California compliance car -- that is to say, in the state of CA, any auto manufacturer must sell a certain % of their sales as zero emission cars. For Toyota, that meant 2300 or so cars. They ended up putting a RAV4 body/interior on top of Tesla-sourced frame, motor and battery back: the $50k RAV4 EV. It's been a lousy seller. Toyota only sold 26 vehicles in December, so they've got huge incentives. Currently the incentive is $16,000 IIRC. You can lease the RAV4 EV for $299 per month with $3500 due at signing. I drive a Fiat 500e, which is a fantastic electric car ($199 lease!) but anytime I'm loading up kids and groceries I wish I had one of those cheap pseudo Teslas.