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Official patches are more trustworthy in the enterprise and public service world. Whether those patches are better or worse is up for another debate. You would

by yeukhon 13y ago

Official patches are more trustworthy in the enterprise and public service world. Whether those patches are better or worse is up for another debate. You wouldn't want someone downloading random patches off the Internet or hiring a non-MS employee to make a patch without hiring multiple people to verify the integrity and usefulness of the patch (think backdoor) to fix computers handling your tax information. Do you? I wouldn't. You wouldn't download a random patch for heartbleed until openssl releases the official notice and patch. Or you won't download because you want the fix from your distro vendor.

wslh 13y ago
Do you? Yes. At the end it's all about trust. With a good community making hotpatches, and explaining their fixes I will install them.
- Retric 13y ago
  The question was not would you install a random patch but would you be ok with the IRS installing random patches when creating a backdoor could easily be worth 100+million?
  - wslh 13y ago
    First, I don't like the "random patch" expression. I am talking about patches discussed by the reverse engineering and security community. IRS is already patching their systems in a similar way when they update a Linux distribution.
    - croggle 13y ago
      No really, The IRS will use something like Red Hat and the Red Hat Corporation will be providing a level of guarantee which the IRS can fall back on should they need to. If they just pull patches from the community themselves, when something goes wrong they will have to take the blame themselves and people will think they are foolish being so reckless. As a techie, this option may seem feasible to you but then again you're just some random guy on HN who probably thinks node.js is the be all and end all of IT. I doubt you've got the intelligence (cleary) or the experience (very cleary) to understand how the IT industry works at a human, risk management and legal level.
      - wslh 13y ago
        It's funny how you talk about me without knowing me. You don't even made a background check to see if I adjust to your node.js bias. No, my company sells hard core technology to big vendors and sign the kind of corporate contracts that you refer in your comment. Since the IRS will not solve the issue there is another route: selling a hotpatch service to another vendor who sells to the IRS.
- yeukhon 13y ago
  > With a good community making hotpatches, and explaining their fixes I will install them. You will have to be reassure that your patch will work and is risk free. If not, get ready for a bill and possibly a congressional hearing. Good community is great, but you need to shift responsibility whenever possible. Not that there aren't any kernel hackers work in the public service sector, but they have other important things to do than fixing someone else' product if there's a choice.

by yeukhon 13y ago

wslh 13y ago

Do you? Yes. At the end it's all about trust. With a good community making hotpatches, and explaining their fixes I will install them.

Retric 13y ago
The question was not would you install a random patch but would you be ok with the IRS installing random patches when creating a backdoor could easily be worth 100+million?
- wslh 13y ago
  First, I don't like the "random patch" expression. I am talking about patches discussed by the reverse engineering and security community. IRS is already patching their systems in a similar way when they update a Linux distribution.
  - croggle 13y ago
    No really, The IRS will use something like Red Hat and the Red Hat Corporation will be providing a level of guarantee which the IRS can fall back on should they need to. If they just pull patches from the community themselves, when something goes wrong they will have to take the blame themselves and people will think they are foolish being so reckless. As a techie, this option may seem feasible to you but then again you're just some random guy on HN who probably thinks node.js is the be all and end all of IT. I doubt you've got the intelligence (cleary) or the experience (very cleary) to understand how the IT industry works at a human, risk management and legal level.
    - wslh 13y ago
      It's funny how you talk about me without knowing me. You don't even made a background check to see if I adjust to your node.js bias. No, my company sells hard core technology to big vendors and sign the kind of corporate contracts that you refer in your comment. Since the IRS will not solve the issue there is another route: selling a hotpatch service to another vendor who sells to the IRS.
yeukhon 13y ago
> With a good community making hotpatches, and explaining their fixes I will install them. You will have to be reassure that your patch will work and is risk free. If not, get ready for a bill and possibly a congressional hearing. Good community is great, but you need to shift responsibility whenever possible. Not that there aren't any kernel hackers work in the public service sector, but they have other important things to do than fixing someone else' product if there's a choice.