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"The lawsuit claims that Ivey and his companion instructed a dealer to flip cards in particular ways, depending on whether it was a desirable card in baccarat."

• DanBC 13y ago
  It seems odd that the dealer would comply with such a request, even if the dealer has no idea about the law.
  • Robadob 13y ago
    Presumably some gamblers have superstitious practises regarding their luck. It's quite possible the dealer could have seen this as one and assumed it harmless wanting to keep them playing.
    • mwill 13y ago
      Ivey does indeed have a reputation for being superstitious. Worth noting the stakes for some of these games were in the $50,000 - $100,000 range, per hand. It's pretty hard to say no to a seemingly harmless request when the stakes are that high.
      • DanBC 13y ago
        I guess, but all the other stuff about cards appears to be tightly regulated. Interesting to see people fi ding and exploiting these flaws. Surprising that people are still making casino cards with these backs when this exploit appears to be known about.
  • logn 13y ago
    Dealers work on tips though.
  • lgas 13y ago
    At the stakes Ivey plays there is always at least a pit boss nearby monitoring all the action, so in this case not only did the dealers comply but the pit boss either implicitly or perhaps even explicitly approved it as well. On the other hand at these stakes every casino staff member will go way out of their way to comply with any request from the player. In these cases the pit bosses must not have been aware of the concept of edge sorting or surely they would not have allowed it. I'm surprised that a higher end casino like Borgata that regularly faces this level of action doesn't train their high limit floor staff better.
• mwill 13y ago
  Ivey has a reputation for being superstitious, and plays incredibly high stakes, usually at private tables. Generally Casino's will comply with strange requests like this from people like him, assuming it is just a weird superstition/luck thing. Worth noting, having the cards flipped wouldn't work if the decks were being manually sorted, in at least one case he convinced the casino to use an automatic sorter, which retains the orientation of the cards, again probably a request chalked up to superstition.
  • hermannj314 13y ago
    in at least one case he convinced the casino to use an automatic sorter, which retains the orientation of the cards, again probably a request chalked up to superstition. In my state, using a device (computer, electronic, or mechanical) to track cards that were dealt or project the outcome of the game is a class "D" felony and results in being barred for life from any casino operating under the jurisdiction of the racing and gaming commission of the state. The law does not appear to care if this device is provided by the casino itself, it is strictly forbidden to use any device (even one you don't physically possess) for that purpose. If these claims are true, and hypothetically if Ivey was in the State of Iowa (but similar laws exist elsewhere I am certain), I am wondering if he committed a criminal offense by his action of requesting the casino use a device (they otherwise wouldn't have used) so that he could a) keep track of cards dealt and b) project the outcome of the game.
    • tempestn 13y ago
      Based solely on your comment I would guess not. The device wasn't used "to track cards that were dealt or project the outcome of the game". Rather, it simply didn't prevent Ivey from doing so (allegedly).