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The article mentions that > While Apple invested in earlier IV funds, its reluctance to do so again may stem from the fact that it is being swamped by trolls i

by i_s 13y ago

The article mentions that > While Apple invested in earlier IV funds, its reluctance to do so again may stem from the fact that it is being swamped by trolls itself It is the wrong reason if you accept that patent trolling is wrong. Analogy: murder is wrong, so if someone only stops murdering people because their own family members were murdered, it would be the wrong reason.

mitchty 13y ago
Maybe its the best we can expect of a corporation. It is also a bit of a guess to be honest, maybe they aren't getting a good return on investment or who knows maybe they just don't feel like investing in them any longer.
- mildtrepidation 13y ago
  Maybe its the best we can expect of a corporation. Corporations don't make decisions; they don't do anything at all. The people who control them do. "A corporation" isn't even a single abstraction; there are so many different kinds and even the same kind can be set up and run so many different ways that having any expectation (or lack thereof) of "a corporation" is meaningless. A good result from bad intentions isn't admirable. A war economy can create jobs, among other things, but that result doesn't make going to war an admirable decision.
  - Karunamon 13y ago
    Corporations don't make decisions; they don't do anything at all. Nitpick - corporate leadership is responsible for the actions of those they lead. Everyone knows what we're talking about when someone says "Microsoft did this" or "Y Combinator did that". It's a convenient shorthand that omits no useful information. Nobody cares about the difference between an LLC and an S Corp and a Nonprofit when discussing corporate behavior (or lack thereof!) - their collective actions can and should still be critically evaluated through the same rubric.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    >Corporations don't make decisions; they don't do anything at all. The people who control them do. The people that take those decisions are many and have various roles. The aggregate of them, we call a "corporation". Think of it like an emergent entity. It's not just a person (e.g the CEO) making a decision all by himself. It's the whole leadership, the Board of directors, shareholders, the financial and market condition of the company, it's history etc. In your logic, people don't take decisions and don't do anything either. Their brain does.
gcb0 13y ago
the real reason is probably that apple is a pattent troll themselves. why would they cross one target (microsoft, and possibly several other microsoft partners) off their list by joining this? remember that not even patent trolls have tried to enforce design patents as IP before apple. They are really good at trolling. ALso, do not forgot job's emails to the RIM ceo during the valleygate.
- pmelendez 13y ago
  >"why would they cross one target (microsoft, and possibly several other microsoft partners)" They have agreements already so is not that is going to be a huge target anyway [1] [1] http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/13/3239977/apple-and-microsoft-cross-license-agreement-includes-anti-cloning http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/13/3239977/apple-and-microsof...
  - gcb0 13y ago
    sorry for not following the latest news in patent troll world :) but that new agreement would allow samsung to join later on, maybe?
headShrinker 13y ago
murdering is too far outside the norm, in current American society. Paying patent troll is common place for corps. Take something like I don't know, polluting. When are you, or I or anyone going to stop polluting? When the realized benefits, out way the immediate costs.
- inafield 13y ago
  Where is Jason Bourne when we need him?
chc 13y ago
Isn't "I realized the harm I was causing by my actions" a good reason to stop taking that action?

by i_s 13y ago

mitchty 13y ago

Maybe its the best we can expect of a corporation. It is also a bit of a guess to be honest, maybe they aren't getting a good return on investment or who knows maybe they just don't feel like investing in them any longer.

mildtrepidation 13y ago
Maybe its the best we can expect of a corporation. Corporations don't make decisions; they don't do anything at all. The people who control them do. "A corporation" isn't even a single abstraction; there are so many different kinds and even the same kind can be set up and run so many different ways that having any expectation (or lack thereof) of "a corporation" is meaningless. A good result from bad intentions isn't admirable. A war economy can create jobs, among other things, but that result doesn't make going to war an admirable decision.
- Karunamon 13y ago
  Corporations don't make decisions; they don't do anything at all. Nitpick - corporate leadership is responsible for the actions of those they lead. Everyone knows what we're talking about when someone says "Microsoft did this" or "Y Combinator did that". It's a convenient shorthand that omits no useful information. Nobody cares about the difference between an LLC and an S Corp and a Nonprofit when discussing corporate behavior (or lack thereof!) - their collective actions can and should still be critically evaluated through the same rubric.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >Corporations don't make decisions; they don't do anything at all. The people who control them do. The people that take those decisions are many and have various roles. The aggregate of them, we call a "corporation". Think of it like an emergent entity. It's not just a person (e.g the CEO) making a decision all by himself. It's the whole leadership, the Board of directors, shareholders, the financial and market condition of the company, it's history etc. In your logic, people don't take decisions and don't do anything either. Their brain does.

gcb0 13y ago

the real reason is probably that apple is a pattent troll themselves. why would they cross one target (microsoft, and possibly several other microsoft partners) off their list by joining this? remember that not even patent trolls have tried to enforce design patents as IP before apple. They are really good at trolling. ALso, do not forgot job's emails to the RIM ceo during the valleygate.

pmelendez 13y ago
>"why would they cross one target (microsoft, and possibly several other microsoft partners)" They have agreements already so is not that is going to be a huge target anyway [1] [1] http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/13/3239977/apple-and-microsoft-cross-license-agreement-includes-anti-cloning http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/13/3239977/apple-and-microsof...
- gcb0 13y ago
  sorry for not following the latest news in patent troll world :) but that new agreement would allow samsung to join later on, maybe?

headShrinker 13y ago

murdering is too far outside the norm, in current American society. Paying patent troll is common place for corps. Take something like I don't know, polluting. When are you, or I or anyone going to stop polluting? When the realized benefits, out way the immediate costs.

inafield 13y ago
Where is Jason Bourne when we need him?

chc 13y ago

Isn't "I realized the harm I was causing by my actions" a good reason to stop taking that action?