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This sounds like holding non-profits to higher standards than corporates. That seems a strange and grossly unfair thing to do, ultimately counterproductive to t
by frabcus 13y ago
This sounds like holding non-profits to higher standards than corporates. That seems a strange and grossly unfair thing to do, ultimately counterproductive to the very purpose of non-profits.
Of course, when it comes to their core values you have to hold non-profits to high standards - e.g. Mozilla on the open web.
But when it comes to things unrelated to their mission... Why should they be any more perfect than a for-profit corporation!
I like people holding organizations to high standards, its fantastic. But please, hold all of them to high standards - both for-profits and non-profits.
- TylerE 13y agoThis is rapidly turning very ugly, and I can't stand it. Is being "anti-gay" or "pro-war" or even just "republican" the new Communism? The new witchcraft?
- EC1 13y agoI hope so. We're moving into a phase where there you can grab information about anything, from nearly anywhere, at almost any time. There is little advantage to decision making based on cemented ideals anymore. This new era has exposed the good and bad in all facets of life. It's no longer about republicans, or communists, or this, or that, it's just about life. I prefer to remain non-partisan and instead look at things as a complete outsider, just as a regular human being without any rooted loyalty in any one system or another. If a company hires a shitty person, and people start dropping their service like flies, and that company reconsiders, then we're moving in a good direction, and I view my "vote" of not sticking with Dropbox more as a single ballot to living in a more informed and refined society. I really hope somebody replies and lets me know why I'm wrong rather than just sitting here at -2. Please don't turn HN into Reddit :(
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- icebraining 13y ago"Fucks up" implies an error that they've regretted. Is it really appropriate description in this case?
- EC1 13y agoThere is a colossal difference between making a shitty decision that doesn't directly affect the lives of thousands of people, and ones that do. I don't care what her intention was at the time. Just read http://www.drop-dropbox.com/ http://www.drop-dropbox.com/. It's certainly enough for me.
- dangayle 13y agoSituational morality is really not morality at all.
- EC1 13y agoAnd that is what I am trying to move to, because no two situations are exactly alike. Choose the correct weapon for the job.
- TylerE 13y agoSo, do you own a PC? If so, how can you possibly justify that? After all, IBM helped the Nazis, so everything they touched is morally tainted. (And no, I'm not Godwinning, just pointing out how absurd the line of thinking is when taken to extremes)
- EC1 13y agoYeah that's fair, but none of the original founding members are still active within IBM, so the intent has essentially been burnt out. They are remnants long forgotten. Condoleezza Rice however, is still alive and well, and is actively on the Dropbox board. The decision is easy to make, so I made it.
- dangayle 13y agoI would honestly prefer people to have a set standard, e.g., Should I drop a nuclear bomb? No. Never. Under any circumstances. Whether I agree with that standard is another matter altogether, but having a solid measuring line is significantly more reassuring than a flip-floppy wet noodle. I agree that no two situations are alike, but principles by definition should still guide the decision making process.
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- secstate 13y agoNo. For the same reason that being a white supremacist hasn't really ever been "okay." Eich was not anti-gay, he was anti-civil rights. Legal marraige and religious marriage are unfortunately poorly named, but two very different things. If Eich doesn't understand that, he's got bigger issues than being dumped by Mozilla. I have plenty of good friends who do not agree with the idea of homosexual religious marriage and yet support civil rights and the right of homosexuals to be legally married. That said, cable news, groupthink and information overload have a nasty habit of making us fall back on baser instincts (gay=bad, Christian=bad, war=bad or any other black/white arguments). Instead we should probably turn to our communities where we are able to have long-form and less-aggressive arguments about fundamental issues. If you perceive the person you're arguing with as a human and a friend, you're less inclined towards unmitigated anger and senseless aggression. But that would require us to put down our computers and walk into town hall and actually speak with humans, so I'm not holding my breath.
- mkr-hn 13y agoYou have to pick your battles unless you're prepared to live as a hermit beyond the edge of civilization. We have plenty of choices in cloud storage, browsers, and fast food. With some things, like voting in a two party system and buying gas, you're choosing the less awful of the viable choices. Choosing in most cases is a matter of triage, not preference.
- tomasien 13y agoOpen Source, not non-profits. I'd have to think about the non-profit thing, but Open Source is a very particular thing - you're asking the public to work for you for FREE. People at Mozilla make good money, non-profit just means they don't have shareholders, and yet we work for them FOR FREE. And we like to! We have no problem doing it and we shouldn't - but yes, it does mean we get to hold them to our standard, whether that be higher or whatever.
- cmiles74 13y agoI believe that people are far more invested in non-profits to which they donate money, as opposed to companies whose products they merely purchase. I do not find it at all surprising that a person who wrote a check to Mozilla (possibly one of a handful of donations to non-profits they made that year) would feel more invested in Mozilla's actions than, say, someone who eats a lot of Nabisco Graham Crackers. Even when the money spent on their consumption of graham crackers over the same year period may exceed the amount of the Mozilla donation.