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You elected a president who selected a vice president who voted for the war (Joe Biden). Why are you speaking up now? Because she's a Republican?

cryoshon 13y ago
I didn't vote for Biden, and I didn't forget his pro-war stance, either. Biden wasn't just appointed as a board member for a relevant tech corporation, though. If he was, I'd be up in arms, too. That said, even so, Biden's role in promoting Iraq was far less than Condi's. Additionally, Biden didn't specifically push for advanced interrogation techniques AKA torture. Condi did.
- hg54yghf 13y ago
  Uhh, Al Gore supported the war too and he's a partner of Kleiner Perkins and a board member of Apple, a firm that has funded several Silicon Valley companies. Will you stop using those companies too?
  - ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
    Al Gore wasn't part of the administration that led us to war. Rice helped enable the war, Gore was just wrong like most Americans.
    - hg54yghf 13y ago
      "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 Want more? By the way, Rice never "enabled" for the war because she couldn't vote in Congress. Similar to Al Gore.
      - d23 13y ago
        > By the way, Rice never "enabled" for the war because she couldn't vote in Congress. Similar to Al Gore. I just... I can't fathom the idiocy of your post. My neighbor billy bob supported the war too. I guess he had the same degree of responsibility for it as Rice did, because he couldn't vote in congress.
        gfsdg4g54 13y ago
        The idiocy of your straw man is quite telling. Rice and Gore had as much pull on the public. I would say Gore had more than Rice because he was far more well known.
        ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
        Ah, I must have missed that entry in Gore's Wikipedia page where it states he was one of Bush's closet advisors on national security issues.
      - ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(Unit...
IanDrake 13y ago
Agreed. It's hard to understand HN sometimes. Posts about women and minorities in tech get overwhelmingly positive comments..."we have to do anything and everything possible to get more of minority X involved in tech"...then a popular company hires a double minority and everyone loses their mind.
- thickness 13y ago
  Stop doing that. You're being dishonest right now. This is not about sexism or racism. My co-founder and best friend of 8 years is a woman, and she had the same reaction of disgust by this move as me. This has to do with Rice's history of warmongering and condoning torture, not her sex or ethnicity.
  - hg54yghf 13y ago
    Will you stop using Apple products, a company that has Al Gore as a board member, and someone who supported the Iraq war?
    - d23 13y ago
      How do you and your moronic cronies (unless it's all just you) not see that this is a completely different analogy? Gore didn't have privileged intelligence; he was deceived like the rest of us. A lot of us like Gore because he seems to have qualities that we would like to see in a government official: reasoned, intelligent, and a supporter of science. I have very little problem saying that 2000-2008 would have been a very different time had he been in the White House, rather than a bunch of neo-cons with the baggage of an Iraq obsession.
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cryoshon 13y ago

I didn't vote for Biden, and I didn't forget his pro-war stance, either. Biden wasn't just appointed as a board member for a relevant tech corporation, though. If he was, I'd be up in arms, too. That said, even so, Biden's role in promoting Iraq was far less than Condi's. Additionally, Biden didn't specifically push for advanced interrogation techniques AKA torture. Condi did.

hg54yghf 13y ago
Uhh, Al Gore supported the war too and he's a partner of Kleiner Perkins and a board member of Apple, a firm that has funded several Silicon Valley companies. Will you stop using those companies too?
- ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
  Al Gore wasn't part of the administration that led us to war. Rice helped enable the war, Gore was just wrong like most Americans.
  - hg54yghf 13y ago
    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 Want more? By the way, Rice never "enabled" for the war because she couldn't vote in Congress. Similar to Al Gore.
    - d23 13y ago
      > By the way, Rice never "enabled" for the war because she couldn't vote in Congress. Similar to Al Gore. I just... I can't fathom the idiocy of your post. My neighbor billy bob supported the war too. I guess he had the same degree of responsibility for it as Rice did, because he couldn't vote in congress.
      - gfsdg4g54 13y ago
        The idiocy of your straw man is quite telling. Rice and Gore had as much pull on the public. I would say Gore had more than Rice because he was far more well known.
        ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
        Ah, I must have missed that entry in Gore's Wikipedia page where it states he was one of Bush's closet advisors on national security issues.
    - ZanyProgrammer 13y ago
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(Unit...

IanDrake 13y ago

Agreed. It's hard to understand HN sometimes. Posts about women and minorities in tech get overwhelmingly positive comments..."we have to do anything and everything possible to get more of minority X involved in tech"...then a popular company hires a double minority and everyone loses their mind.

thickness 13y ago
Stop doing that. You're being dishonest right now. This is not about sexism or racism. My co-founder and best friend of 8 years is a woman, and she had the same reaction of disgust by this move as me. This has to do with Rice's history of warmongering and condoning torture, not her sex or ethnicity.
- hg54yghf 13y ago
  Will you stop using Apple products, a company that has Al Gore as a board member, and someone who supported the Iraq war?
  - d23 13y ago
    How do you and your moronic cronies (unless it's all just you) not see that this is a completely different analogy? Gore didn't have privileged intelligence; he was deceived like the rest of us. A lot of us like Gore because he seems to have qualities that we would like to see in a government official: reasoned, intelligent, and a supporter of science. I have very little problem saying that 2000-2008 would have been a very different time had he been in the White House, rather than a bunch of neo-cons with the baggage of an Iraq obsession.
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