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Sorry, but I'm still confused. Aren't paintings and screenplays typically sold to someone else for a fixed price after they're created, assuming someone buys t

Sorry, but I'm still confused. Aren't paintings and screenplays typically sold to someone else for a fixed price after they're created, assuming someone buys them? With a book, I guess you might theoretically share in the profits. And while spec is initiated by another party, doesn't that imply that there's at least some demand? Let's take another approach: what's a better solution? If you have an aspiring designer with no portfolio or references, how should they get started? I hire designers, and I'd be reluctant to hire someone with no track record...what if I hate what they produce?

tptacek 17y ago
When you follow the anti-spec argument to its logical conclusion, you wind up in the same place as the interior design industry, which creates State Boards of Certified Interior Designers and attempts to enact laws prohibiting (to paraphrase Radley Balko) the placement of a throw pillow without licensure. It's all about restricting demand to improve the outcomes of industry insiders at the expense of industry outsiders.
- voidpointer 17y ago
  The guilds in medieval Europe had this figured out very well. Also Terry Pratchett is portraying the same situation very nicely in the Discworld novels (assassin's guild, tomb raider's guild etc.)
potatolicious 17y ago
> Aren't paintings and screenplays typically sold to someone else for a fixed price after they're created, assuming someone buys them? Yes, the difference here is that if you write a novel, create a painting, make a sculpture etc, and your target client doesn't buy, you can shop around for another buyer. I'm not really sure there's a market out there for "book cover for a Tim Ferriss book" other than Tim Ferriss himself. This is the problem with spec work of this variety - you have one winner, and a bajillion losers who will now see absolutely nothing for all the work done. > how should they get started? At a shop, working under someone more reputed than they are, until they have a large enough portfolio of their own to show potential clients. That's the ideal scenario anyways... You can apply the same thing to programmers, though. Say you have an aspiring hacker with no references or previous code to show you - how should they get started?
- tptacek 17y ago
  In open source.
- drusenko 17y ago
  By practicing writing good code, getting better, and then having a portfolio to show. This type of contest really is just the same for designers: If you don't need practice, don't participate. If you do, it's a great way to hone your talent, and possibly win something (although that's really just a bonus). When you're getting started in any profession, there's a certain amount of pro bono work performed to gain experience and build your resume/portfolio -- how is this any different?
mechanical_fish 17y ago
If you have an aspiring designer with no portfolio or references, how should they get started? A lot of people go to art or design school. Which is to say: They pay money to someone to supervise them as they produce a portfolio full of work for which they will not be paid. But once they graduate they get the Art School Seal of Approval, which is what they are paying for.

tptacek 17y ago

When you follow the anti-spec argument to its logical conclusion, you wind up in the same place as the interior design industry, which creates State Boards of Certified Interior Designers and attempts to enact laws prohibiting (to paraphrase Radley Balko) the placement of a throw pillow without licensure. It's all about restricting demand to improve the outcomes of industry insiders at the expense of industry outsiders.

voidpointer 17y ago
The guilds in medieval Europe had this figured out very well. Also Terry Pratchett is portraying the same situation very nicely in the Discworld novels (assassin's guild, tomb raider's guild etc.)

potatolicious 17y ago

> Aren't paintings and screenplays typically sold to someone else for a fixed price after they're created, assuming someone buys them? Yes, the difference here is that if you write a novel, create a painting, make a sculpture etc, and your target client doesn't buy, you can shop around for another buyer. I'm not really sure there's a market out there for "book cover for a Tim Ferriss book" other than Tim Ferriss himself. This is the problem with spec work of this variety - you have one winner, and a bajillion losers who will now see absolutely nothing for all the work done. > how should they get started? At a shop, working under someone more reputed than they are, until they have a large enough portfolio of their own to show potential clients. That's the ideal scenario anyways... You can apply the same thing to programmers, though. Say you have an aspiring hacker with no references or previous code to show you - how should they get started?

tptacek 17y ago
In open source.
drusenko 17y ago
By practicing writing good code, getting better, and then having a portfolio to show. This type of contest really is just the same for designers: If you don't need practice, don't participate. If you do, it's a great way to hone your talent, and possibly win something (although that's really just a bonus). When you're getting started in any profession, there's a certain amount of pro bono work performed to gain experience and build your resume/portfolio -- how is this any different?

mechanical_fish 17y ago

If you have an aspiring designer with no portfolio or references, how should they get started? A lot of people go to art or design school. Which is to say: They pay money to someone to supervise them as they produce a portfolio full of work for which they will not be paid. But once they graduate they get the Art School Seal of Approval, which is what they are paying for.