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If something is illegal, isn't it already banned?

by rikkus 13y ago

wsc981 13y ago
Not necessarily. For example, in the Netherlands one cannot be punished for being illegal here[0]. Edit: added a link for clarity. [0]: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/04/cabinet_drops_controversial_pl.php http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/04/cabinet_drops_...
- buro9 13y ago
  > in the Netherlands one cannot be punished for being illegal here This doesn't make sense as a sentence. Surely the Netherlands has a justice system and prisons, and surely those people in prison are there because they were convicted of doing something illegal. So it stands that you can and will be punished in the Netherlands for doing something illegal.
  - Cthulhu_ 13y ago
    wsc981 made an unfortunate language error / directly translated a Dutch expression to english; 'being illegal' in his example translates to living in the Netherlands as an illegal immigrant, which, while 'illegal', is not actually enforced as a crime.
    - creatio 13y ago
      Not be picky or anything. What precisely is the language error? I read the sentence and understood the meaning conveyed.
      - drcube 13y ago
        How does one "be illegal"? I think it doesn't make sense (or is at least ambiguous and confusing) unless you replace it with "being here illegally".
  - styrmis 13y ago
    I think what he meant was that you can't be punished for being an "illegal alien" in the Netherlands. "Illegal residence is only punishable if the party involved has been declared 'undesirable'" (http://en.justitiaetpax.nl/project/aliens-detention-in-the-netherlands http://en.justitiaetpax.nl/project/aliens-detention-in-the-n...)
  - ragebol 13y ago
    Yes. But not for being illegally there (here).
  - ghh 13y ago
    He means 'being illegaly there', i.e. being an illegal immigrant. This was part of a recent political debate; it was reconfirmed as not being punishable. It would have affected mostly individuals that are also banned from entering their homeland, and are ping-ponged back to the Netherlands.

If something is illegal, isn't it already banned?

by rikkus 13y ago

If something is illegal, isn't it already banned?

Not necessarily. For example, in the Netherlands one cannot be punished for being illegal here[0]. Edit: added a link for clarity. [0]: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/04/cabinet_drops_controversial_pl.php http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2014/04/cabinet_drops_...

buro9 13y ago
> in the Netherlands one cannot be punished for being illegal here This doesn't make sense as a sentence. Surely the Netherlands has a justice system and prisons, and surely those people in prison are there because they were convicted of doing something illegal. So it stands that you can and will be punished in the Netherlands for doing something illegal.
- Cthulhu_ 13y ago
  wsc981 made an unfortunate language error / directly translated a Dutch expression to english; 'being illegal' in his example translates to living in the Netherlands as an illegal immigrant, which, while 'illegal', is not actually enforced as a crime.
  - creatio 13y ago
    Not be picky or anything. What precisely is the language error? I read the sentence and understood the meaning conveyed.
    - drcube 13y ago
      How does one "be illegal"? I think it doesn't make sense (or is at least ambiguous and confusing) unless you replace it with "being here illegally".
- styrmis 13y ago
  I think what he meant was that you can't be punished for being an "illegal alien" in the Netherlands. "Illegal residence is only punishable if the party involved has been declared 'undesirable'" (http://en.justitiaetpax.nl/project/aliens-detention-in-the-netherlands http://en.justitiaetpax.nl/project/aliens-detention-in-the-n...)
- ragebol 13y ago
  Yes. But not for being illegally there (here).
- ghh 13y ago
  He means 'being illegaly there', i.e. being an illegal immigrant. This was part of a recent political debate; it was reconfirmed as not being punishable. It would have affected mostly individuals that are also banned from entering their homeland, and are ping-ponged back to the Netherlands.