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Yeah, but when companies issue bonds, they use the real money issued from the sale of these bonds to pay down debts of creditors. In this case, if the IOU's are

by kp212 17y ago

Yeah, but when companies issue bonds, they use the real money issued from the sale of these bonds to pay down debts of creditors. In this case, if the IOU's are like bonds then they should be sold on the market, and the real money collected should be used to pays these small businesses, which are the state's creditors. I know a state is not a company, but when raising capital via debt, you can't just force someone to accept these IOU's when they are owed money.

TomOfTTB 17y ago
But California can't sell them on the open market which is the point. Think of it this way. California is at a point where they can't stop themselves from spending more than they owe and the result of that is no one in their right mind would ever buy a Bond from them. Because there's a really good chance they'll be bankrupt before they could pay it off. So what the state is doing is taking the people they have complete power over (those who did work for them expecting payment at a later date) and giving them a certificate of debt so they can continue to pay creditors whose services they need and who they have no power over.
- kp212 17y ago
  Why can't they sell them? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_bond Many other states and munis do. Whether its a good investment or not is dictated by the risk and interest rate associated to it. You can't not pay your obligations which in this case would be the interest rate to cover today's expenses. Otherwise we are talking about a larger issue which would be bankruptcy.
  - bwd2 17y ago
    I think he meant that they can't afford to sell them. The financial condition of an issuer dictates the yield (i.e. interest rate) that investors will require to buy the bonds. California's condition is so poor that the required yield would be very high, so they have decided to force feed this debt to people who are already their creditors (in short term payable/receivable sense) but were expecting to be paid in currency.

by kp212 17y ago

TomOfTTB 17y ago

But California can't sell them on the open market which is the point. Think of it this way. California is at a point where they can't stop themselves from spending more than they owe and the result of that is no one in their right mind would ever buy a Bond from them. Because there's a really good chance they'll be bankrupt before they could pay it off. So what the state is doing is taking the people they have complete power over (those who did work for them expecting payment at a later date) and giving them a certificate of debt so they can continue to pay creditors whose services they need and who they have no power over.

kp212 17y ago
Why can't they sell them? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_bond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_bond Many other states and munis do. Whether its a good investment or not is dictated by the risk and interest rate associated to it. You can't not pay your obligations which in this case would be the interest rate to cover today's expenses. Otherwise we are talking about a larger issue which would be bankruptcy.
- bwd2 17y ago
  I think he meant that they can't afford to sell them. The financial condition of an issuer dictates the yield (i.e. interest rate) that investors will require to buy the bonds. California's condition is so poor that the required yield would be very high, so they have decided to force feed this debt to people who are already their creditors (in short term payable/receivable sense) but were expecting to be paid in currency.