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You: "No evidence or data is presented to back up any of the points." Did you even read the article? The authors link to six websites that each describe resear

by logjam 17y ago

You: "No evidence or data is presented to back up any of the points." Did you even read the article? The authors link to six websites that each describe research on the subject of bullying. In addition, he specifically cites comprehensive review books and papers. You, on the other hand, cite nothing but anecdote and "analogy". A simple PubMed search on the term "bullying" gives pages of results on the topic, and I daresay they mostly are consistent with the advice given by the authors of this paper, and not yours.

ryanwaggoner 17y ago
1. Linking to six websites on the general subject of bullying is hardly a well-reasoned presentation of research and evidence to support an argument. In addition, several of these websites specifically contradict the advice of the author and encourage kids to stand up for themselves in the face of bullying. 2. The average reader is unlikely to conduct a PubMed search for research and scholarly works related to the subject of bullying. 3. I was specifically referring to the lack of evidence to back up the position that standing up to bullies is rarely effective, not everything in the article. You're right that this wasn't clear. My mistake. You seem to have missed completely that I'm not primarily disagreeing with his position (though I do), but rather with the shallow presentation of that position. EDIT: removed a mistaken reference to the Guardian
- tptacek 17y ago
  The article didn't appear in The Guardian. You misread my comment. I don't understand where you think this argument is going to take you. Whatever critiques you may have of the way Kazdin has boiled down the huge volumes of research on this topic for a Slate article, he's not a reporter. He's the president of the American Psychological Association, a professor at Yale, and the director of the Yale Parenting Center; he's also written a well-regarded book on the subject. You may have a valid argument about what he's saying about bullying, but you are totally clouding it by attacking his credibility. He has much more credibility on this subject than you do.
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by logjam 17y ago

ryanwaggoner 17y ago

1. Linking to six websites on the general subject of bullying is hardly a well-reasoned presentation of research and evidence to support an argument. In addition, several of these websites specifically contradict the advice of the author and encourage kids to stand up for themselves in the face of bullying. 2. The average reader is unlikely to conduct a PubMed search for research and scholarly works related to the subject of bullying. 3. I was specifically referring to the lack of evidence to back up the position that standing up to bullies is rarely effective, not everything in the article. You're right that this wasn't clear. My mistake. You seem to have missed completely that I'm not primarily disagreeing with his position (though I do), but rather with the shallow presentation of that position. EDIT: removed a mistaken reference to the Guardian

tptacek 17y ago
The article didn't appear in The Guardian. You misread my comment. I don't understand where you think this argument is going to take you. Whatever critiques you may have of the way Kazdin has boiled down the huge volumes of research on this topic for a Slate article, he's not a reporter. He's the president of the American Psychological Association, a professor at Yale, and the director of the Yale Parenting Center; he's also written a well-regarded book on the subject. You may have a valid argument about what he's saying about bullying, but you are totally clouding it by attacking his credibility. He has much more credibility on this subject than you do.
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