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I agree with you. At least I think I do, where you are talking about the fact that higher pay equals better retention and thus lower long-term costs to employe

I agree with you. At least I think I do, where you are talking about the fact that higher pay equals better retention and thus lower long-term costs to employer. Although I imagine since this is a sort of proposal or question as to "how do we change the status quo" where those companies with the best track record are in fact the leaders in their respective markets. In that other world I imagine pay would be better at these companies since they would be market leaders. And I'm not even necessarily saying, though it may not be obvious in the original question, that people should need to chose between "GreenPeace" and "British Petroleum". I'm instead imagining, for example, that someone would be chosing perhaps between "Facebook" and "green Facebook" whatever that other company's name is. We're still in a demand / supply economy so companies that do the same sort of thing would need to start differentiating themselves not just in how large and powerful they are, but also in how they impact the world in a larger way. One idea here would be: Suppose a large pharmaceutical companies are trying to patent technologies to protect their businesses, but then a new kind of pharmaceutical company came into existence where they openly worked more for the greater good, not trying to patent things but trying to solve important health related problems and making those solutions open. Because people see the inherent good in what they're doing all of a sudden they are the ones who become the market leader in pharmaceutical companies because everyone wants to be their customers instead of those companies who try to stifle innovation through ridiculous patents and even more ridiculous marketing strategies.

Mz 13y ago
Sigh. I have a serious medical condition. I have spent 13 years getting myself well when doctors said that could not be done. I get a shitshow off of other people when I try to share information about what I did to get well. I think real health companies include things like GNC and gyms and "green" construction companies. I am aware we will always need medicine (both the field of it and drugs) but the framing of what works is very different in my mind from how you are framing it. It isn't a case of "socially conscious drug testing" versus "blithely torturing animals to get product to market." I am not trying to discourage you from creating a database to help people make job hunting decisions. I am just saying that this isn't and apples to apples comparison and isn't even necessarily an apples to oranges comparison. What kind of data/metrics you include matters. I am just trying to encourage you to think more broadly about the topic. Best of luck.
- datashovel 13y ago
  I agree. I think the problem is a very nuanced one, and probably very difficult to get right. The critical thing, in my mind, is to find the specific "types" of things that matter most to people. Another critical thing will be to find the combination of things that are non-intrusive enough that a company would feel comfortable sharing. There will, in the end, I think be a sweet spot where certain companies will be willing to share or openly oblige themselves to certain rules / restrictions while others won't. And that refusal to discuss those issues, that their competitors are willing to discuss, will of course be noted in that company's profile. In the end it may not even be a huge gap between different companies in different industries, but the public perception behind a company who openly discusses their willingness to push certain initiatives vs the company who refuses to take a stand or create transparent policy on certain issues will APPEAR to be a huge difference. Suddenly once you have companies thinking about these things and informing public opinion about their decisions / policies, the needle starts to move and all of a sudden you have a thing that matters and makes a difference.

Mz 13y ago

Sigh. I have a serious medical condition. I have spent 13 years getting myself well when doctors said that could not be done. I get a shitshow off of other people when I try to share information about what I did to get well. I think real health companies include things like GNC and gyms and "green" construction companies. I am aware we will always need medicine (both the field of it and drugs) but the framing of what works is very different in my mind from how you are framing it. It isn't a case of "socially conscious drug testing" versus "blithely torturing animals to get product to market." I am not trying to discourage you from creating a database to help people make job hunting decisions. I am just saying that this isn't and apples to apples comparison and isn't even necessarily an apples to oranges comparison. What kind of data/metrics you include matters. I am just trying to encourage you to think more broadly about the topic. Best of luck.

datashovel 13y ago
I agree. I think the problem is a very nuanced one, and probably very difficult to get right. The critical thing, in my mind, is to find the specific "types" of things that matter most to people. Another critical thing will be to find the combination of things that are non-intrusive enough that a company would feel comfortable sharing. There will, in the end, I think be a sweet spot where certain companies will be willing to share or openly oblige themselves to certain rules / restrictions while others won't. And that refusal to discuss those issues, that their competitors are willing to discuss, will of course be noted in that company's profile. In the end it may not even be a huge gap between different companies in different industries, but the public perception behind a company who openly discusses their willingness to push certain initiatives vs the company who refuses to take a stand or create transparent policy on certain issues will APPEAR to be a huge difference. Suddenly once you have companies thinking about these things and informing public opinion about their decisions / policies, the needle starts to move and all of a sudden you have a thing that matters and makes a difference.