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I'm going to assume "monkeys" is a poor translation from another language. Maybe it's supposed to say "OpenSSL is written by fuzzy hackers". It's impossible to

I'm going to assume "monkeys" is a poor translation from another language. Maybe it's supposed to say "OpenSSL is written by fuzzy hackers". It's impossible to tell without accepting a self-signed certificate I have no means of validating. The irony is delicious, much like a banana.

aaronem 13y ago
Within the page you didn't bother to read, presumably due to the mortal terror well known to be inflicted by presentation of a self-signed SSL certificate for a resource for which there's no reason to give a damn about identity validation in the first place, there's an expanded version of the metaphor which involves a reference to flung feces. So, no, I'm pretty sure that when the author says "monkeys", it's monkeys he means.
- nknighthb 13y ago
  It's not mortal terror, it's declining to enable someone who uses racially-charged language to attack their fellow human beings while configuring their server in a way that anyone competent to evaluate OpenSSL's merits in the first place would know was no better than not having SSL at all, and in fact much worse, since it trains people to ignore certificate warnings.
  - koenigdavidmj 13y ago
    You're the only one bringing race into this. All that is meant is that the author views OpenSSL as approximately what you would get if you flung poo around for a while.
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      The author brought race into it by comparing human beings to monkeys, a common racist trope. If your only defense for someone calling people sub-humans is "but it might not be racist!", you need to think hard about what you're defending.
      - aaronem 13y ago
        If your only justification for calling someone a racist is "but sometimes racists use that word!", you need to spend less time on Tumblr.
        nknighthb 13y ago
        I really have no idea what this crap about Tumblr is. I don't use it, and I don't really know anyone who does. When I click a link to it, it's almost always a cute animal picture or a piece of art that has no relation to any controversial subject. If there's something more to Tumblr, I wouldn't know, and there is no reason to assume I would. People raised not to call others monkeys are not somehow the result of the latest social media fad.
        fyrabanks 13y ago
        It's because you sound like the "check your privilege" crew that tends to congregate on Tumblr. (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/check-your-privilege http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/check-your-privilege) By the way, the key line from the article you didn't read (yet presume to understand its author's intent): "I have come to the conclusion that OpenSSL is equivalent to monkeys throwing feces at the wall."
        nknighthb 13y ago
        I did read it, after it was helpfully posted elsewhere. I wish I hadn't. Not surprisingly, it wasn't worth my time.
        fyrabanks 13y ago
        "Not surprisingly, it wasn't worth my time," says the guy conducting multiple conversations in the comments section of an article on the internet that he didn't agree with.
        13y ago
  - oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
    Woah - have you never heard the phrase "pay peanuts, get monkeys"? Have you not heard of webmonkey.com which uses the very slightly derogatory term in a self-deprecating way? It's a little sinister to bring race into this at all - I don't think anyone else went remotely near that connotation until you brought it up.
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      > have you never heard the phrase "pay peanuts, get monkeys"? No. I'm familiar with the idiom of "peanuts" meaning little money, monkeys have never been mentioned. In the modern American cultural context, monkeys are associated with bananas. Peanuts are associated with elephants. > Have you not heard of webmonkey.com which uses the very slightly derogatory term in a self-deprecating way? I don't care what people call themselves, nor do I care what members of a community call one another in jest. I care what people call others as an insult.
      - penrod 13y ago
        > In the modern American cultural context, monkeys are associated with bananas. Actually, code monkeys are associated with Fritos.
        aaronem 13y ago
        And Tab, and Mountain Dew.
      - benregenspan 13y ago
        I'm tired of your elephantsplaining.
dfc 13y ago
Why do you think the sky is going to fall if you temporarily accept a certificate?

aaronem 13y ago

Within the page you didn't bother to read, presumably due to the mortal terror well known to be inflicted by presentation of a self-signed SSL certificate for a resource for which there's no reason to give a damn about identity validation in the first place, there's an expanded version of the metaphor which involves a reference to flung feces. So, no, I'm pretty sure that when the author says "monkeys", it's monkeys he means.

nknighthb 13y ago
It's not mortal terror, it's declining to enable someone who uses racially-charged language to attack their fellow human beings while configuring their server in a way that anyone competent to evaluate OpenSSL's merits in the first place would know was no better than not having SSL at all, and in fact much worse, since it trains people to ignore certificate warnings.
- koenigdavidmj 13y ago
  You're the only one bringing race into this. All that is meant is that the author views OpenSSL as approximately what you would get if you flung poo around for a while.
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    The author brought race into it by comparing human beings to monkeys, a common racist trope. If your only defense for someone calling people sub-humans is "but it might not be racist!", you need to think hard about what you're defending.
    - aaronem 13y ago
      If your only justification for calling someone a racist is "but sometimes racists use that word!", you need to spend less time on Tumblr.
      - nknighthb 13y ago
        I really have no idea what this crap about Tumblr is. I don't use it, and I don't really know anyone who does. When I click a link to it, it's almost always a cute animal picture or a piece of art that has no relation to any controversial subject. If there's something more to Tumblr, I wouldn't know, and there is no reason to assume I would. People raised not to call others monkeys are not somehow the result of the latest social media fad.
        fyrabanks 13y ago
        It's because you sound like the "check your privilege" crew that tends to congregate on Tumblr. (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/check-your-privilege http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/check-your-privilege) By the way, the key line from the article you didn't read (yet presume to understand its author's intent): "I have come to the conclusion that OpenSSL is equivalent to monkeys throwing feces at the wall."
        nknighthb 13y ago
        I did read it, after it was helpfully posted elsewhere. I wish I hadn't. Not surprisingly, it wasn't worth my time.
        fyrabanks 13y ago
        "Not surprisingly, it wasn't worth my time," says the guy conducting multiple conversations in the comments section of an article on the internet that he didn't agree with.
        13y ago
- oneeyedpigeon 13y ago
  Woah - have you never heard the phrase "pay peanuts, get monkeys"? Have you not heard of webmonkey.com which uses the very slightly derogatory term in a self-deprecating way? It's a little sinister to bring race into this at all - I don't think anyone else went remotely near that connotation until you brought it up.
  - nknighthb 13y ago
    > have you never heard the phrase "pay peanuts, get monkeys"? No. I'm familiar with the idiom of "peanuts" meaning little money, monkeys have never been mentioned. In the modern American cultural context, monkeys are associated with bananas. Peanuts are associated with elephants. > Have you not heard of webmonkey.com which uses the very slightly derogatory term in a self-deprecating way? I don't care what people call themselves, nor do I care what members of a community call one another in jest. I care what people call others as an insult.
    - penrod 13y ago
      > In the modern American cultural context, monkeys are associated with bananas. Actually, code monkeys are associated with Fritos.
      - aaronem 13y ago
        And Tab, and Mountain Dew.
    - benregenspan 13y ago
      I'm tired of your elephantsplaining.

dfc 13y ago

Why do you think the sky is going to fall if you temporarily accept a certificate?