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A large part of the reason why IE6 even works anywhere outside of corporate intranets in 2014 is that we, web developers, have put in countless hours of painful

by kijin 13y ago

A large part of the reason why IE6 even works anywhere outside of corporate intranets in 2014 is that we, web developers, have put in countless hours of painful and completely unnecessary work to make it work.

moron4hire 13y ago
This is the job you signed up for. It's a site easier situation now than 15 years ago. You think supporting browsers is hard now? (I can't believe I get to be the crotchety old man in this thread). Perhaps you don't remember the NN4 vs IE4 days. NN4 didn't even have a DIV tag, it had a LAYER tag, and IE4 didn't have the LAYER tag, it had DIV. The only way to support both with all of the DHTML junk people wanted (like they want the damn-near equivalent malarky out of HTML5 today) was to emit separate markup for each browser from the server. You got to maintain two different versions of the site for desktop users. I just really don't have any sympathy for you. It's not anything approaching hard these days. These days, you just write everything in a compiles-to-javascript language it figures out the browser compatibilities for you. That shit didn't EXIST. You were considered an ASSHOLE if you did anything with JavaScript.
- Ruska 13y ago
  A situation being better than it used to be is a poor argument against making further progress. Hopefully, one day I will be the crotchety old man complaining about how the new kids never had to worry about IE8 issues.
- atesti 13y ago
  If I remember correctly, <div> and <layer> could be nested.
- kijin 13y ago
  Just because I signed up for a job doesn't mean that I have no right to try and make that job less unpleasant, using the force of the collective if necessary. After all, that's the whole point of progress. How dared our ancestors complain about working 12 hours a day in dangerous coal mines when their own ancestors worked 16 hours a day under even more dangerous conditions? IE4 vs. NN4 was trivial by comparison with that, but the general principle holds.

by kijin 13y ago

moron4hire 13y ago

This is the job you signed up for. It's a site easier situation now than 15 years ago. You think supporting browsers is hard now? (I can't believe I get to be the crotchety old man in this thread). Perhaps you don't remember the NN4 vs IE4 days. NN4 didn't even have a DIV tag, it had a LAYER tag, and IE4 didn't have the LAYER tag, it had DIV. The only way to support both with all of the DHTML junk people wanted (like they want the damn-near equivalent malarky out of HTML5 today) was to emit separate markup for each browser from the server. You got to maintain two different versions of the site for desktop users. I just really don't have any sympathy for you. It's not anything approaching hard these days. These days, you just write everything in a compiles-to-javascript language it figures out the browser compatibilities for you. That shit didn't EXIST. You were considered an ASSHOLE if you did anything with JavaScript.

Ruska 13y ago
A situation being better than it used to be is a poor argument against making further progress. Hopefully, one day I will be the crotchety old man complaining about how the new kids never had to worry about IE8 issues.
atesti 13y ago
If I remember correctly, <div> and <layer> could be nested.
kijin 13y ago
Just because I signed up for a job doesn't mean that I have no right to try and make that job less unpleasant, using the force of the collective if necessary. After all, that's the whole point of progress. How dared our ancestors complain about working 12 hours a day in dangerous coal mines when their own ancestors worked 16 hours a day under even more dangerous conditions? IE4 vs. NN4 was trivial by comparison with that, but the general principle holds.