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Einstein, Tesla and Musk. None of those guys would have ended up in the US if you had any power over immigration policy. Oh.. and are you native? Genuine questi

by tommu 12y ago

Einstein, Tesla and Musk. None of those guys would have ended up in the US if you had any power over immigration policy. Oh.. and are you native? Genuine question as I have no idea.

NextUserName 12y ago
I don't see how this is a valid argument against anything that I have said. I can argue that many people could have been even more highly regarded who were born in the US if we concentrated on the problems within the country using other means than pulling people from outside the country. I also don't see a direct criticism or counter argument to anything that I said. Downvoters offer no explanation on their disagreement. I wish down voting would require a comment, or at least an identifier of who did it. I think that this would be a much better change than that stupid pending comments thing that almost saw the light of day. Blindly downvoting without any accountability is a pretty poor reality IMO.
BenefitOfDoubt 12y ago
What kind of argument is this? You can't argue fate. You could also say that without the level of immigration we have, the world trade center would never have been attacked, we would have never invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Millions of lives would be saved. One could say that Einstein changed fate such that a certain person was never even born who would have surpassed his achievements. This is nonsense and illogical. In the United States, nine percent of computer science graduates are unemployed, and 14.7 percent of those who hold degrees in information systems have no job. Graduates with degrees in STEM - science, technology, engineering and medicine - are facing record joblessness, with unemployment at more than twice pre-recession levels. The job market for law degree holders continues to erode, with only 55 percent of 2011 law graduates in full-time jobs. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/surviving-post-employment-economy-201311373243740811.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/surviving-p...
- tommu 12y ago
  The argument is that if you deny people entry you miss out on talent. It is that simple. Now you want to deny people with proven talent who's abilities will further the interests of the nation state. Some of those you deny will have exceptional abilities. The nation as a whole loses. It is very sad that nine percent of computer science graduates are unemployed. Why is that? Why are they not fulfilling the already critical need for skilled IT workers? A clue - it's not because the immigrants are taking all there jobs. Love the quote BTW - from and immigrant news service.

by tommu 12y ago

Einstein, Tesla and Musk. None of those guys would have ended up in the US if you had any power over immigration policy. Oh.. and are you native? Genuine question as I have no idea.

NextUserName 12y ago

I don't see how this is a valid argument against anything that I have said. I can argue that many people could have been even more highly regarded who were born in the US if we concentrated on the problems within the country using other means than pulling people from outside the country. I also don't see a direct criticism or counter argument to anything that I said. Downvoters offer no explanation on their disagreement. I wish down voting would require a comment, or at least an identifier of who did it. I think that this would be a much better change than that stupid pending comments thing that almost saw the light of day. Blindly downvoting without any accountability is a pretty poor reality IMO.

BenefitOfDoubt 12y ago

What kind of argument is this? You can't argue fate. You could also say that without the level of immigration we have, the world trade center would never have been attacked, we would have never invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Millions of lives would be saved. One could say that Einstein changed fate such that a certain person was never even born who would have surpassed his achievements. This is nonsense and illogical. In the United States, nine percent of computer science graduates are unemployed, and 14.7 percent of those who hold degrees in information systems have no job. Graduates with degrees in STEM - science, technology, engineering and medicine - are facing record joblessness, with unemployment at more than twice pre-recession levels. The job market for law degree holders continues to erode, with only 55 percent of 2011 law graduates in full-time jobs. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/surviving-post-employment-economy-201311373243740811.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/surviving-p...

tommu 12y ago
The argument is that if you deny people entry you miss out on talent. It is that simple. Now you want to deny people with proven talent who's abilities will further the interests of the nation state. Some of those you deny will have exceptional abilities. The nation as a whole loses. It is very sad that nine percent of computer science graduates are unemployed. Why is that? Why are they not fulfilling the already critical need for skilled IT workers? A clue - it's not because the immigrants are taking all there jobs. Love the quote BTW - from and immigrant news service.