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I wouldn't even say the study proved that point. The fact that the older fiddles couldn't be adjusted for sound optimizations while the new ones could makes a h

I wouldn't even say the study proved that point. The fact that the older fiddles couldn't be adjusted for sound optimizations while the new ones could makes a huge impact on the study - it invariably unlevels the playing field.

rquantz 13y ago
Normals don't understand the difference an adjustment can make. You can tap the sound post half a millimeter and feel like you're playing on a completely different instrument.
ricardobeat 13y ago
I believe rare instruments like those are always kept in pristine conditions, and nowhere it is mentioned that the new ones had adjustments done, you can assume they all were received in 'normal playing condition' from their owners.
- sukuriant 13y ago
  It's a reasonable assumption to make that the new ones had adjustments done. Even larger was the unchanged strings. I could easily imagine that the older ones, since they're not allowed to be modified in any way, had older strings than the new ones. That alone could produce a huge difference.
  - thaumasiotes 13y ago
    That's a difference, but it's a difference with obvious large implications for using the things in performance as well as experiments. As such, it's hard to see how it's a problem in the experimental design; if you're not allowed to adjust the Stradivarius while it's in your possession, maybe a newer model really is the right choice for a concert?
    - sukuriant 13y ago
      That is fair; but, my assumption in this situation is that if the musician owned the instrument themselves, they would have been allowed to tune it. Not being allowed to change details may have been a way for the benefactors of the instruments to keep them from being harmed
      - thaumasiotes 13y ago
        With Stradivarius violins costing millions and millions of dollars, I always assumed that the people playing on them didn't, in the typical case, actually own them (much like how science is now mostly practiced by professionals funded by grants, instead of by the bored idle rich). But I'm not informed on that point; it could be very different.
        analog31 13y ago
        I don't know the exact breakdown of numbers, but it's increasingly common for a Strad to be owned by a benefactor and loaned to the musician. I don't know of any other artifact that straddles such extremes of being a treasure but also a work horse. Even the owners of lesser instruments have to deal with the implications of taking a valuable and delicate instrument out of the house to play in a saloon. For this reason, tweaking a Strad is unlikely to be done casually. Re-stringing? Sure, at the very least E strings, which break all the time. But a set of fiddle strings is damned expensive, and takes time to break in so they don't sound too harsh, so re-stringing has to be coordinated with one's performance schedule. Online, one can find a list of every known Strad, its history of owners, etc. Interestingly enough, a couple of them are listed as missing or stolen.
- rquantz 13y ago
  You believe wrong. Also, even if they are, traveling with an instrument, especially and old finicky one (and they do get finicky when they get old) can throw it out of adjustment, a seam can pop open, a string can go false, etc. The new ones, on the other hand, since they were actually new, were probably being maintained by their makers, who undoubtedly made sure they were in top condition when they went into competition with a strad.
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DrStalker 13y ago
I'd say they proved conclusively a modern violin you can adjust is preferred over an old violin you can't adjust, and pragmatically that's the only meaningful test since since there doesn't seem to be such a thing as an older violin you are allowed to adjust freely.

rquantz 13y ago

Normals don't understand the difference an adjustment can make. You can tap the sound post half a millimeter and feel like you're playing on a completely different instrument.

ricardobeat 13y ago

I believe rare instruments like those are always kept in pristine conditions, and nowhere it is mentioned that the new ones had adjustments done, you can assume they all were received in 'normal playing condition' from their owners.

sukuriant 13y ago
It's a reasonable assumption to make that the new ones had adjustments done. Even larger was the unchanged strings. I could easily imagine that the older ones, since they're not allowed to be modified in any way, had older strings than the new ones. That alone could produce a huge difference.
- thaumasiotes 13y ago
  That's a difference, but it's a difference with obvious large implications for using the things in performance as well as experiments. As such, it's hard to see how it's a problem in the experimental design; if you're not allowed to adjust the Stradivarius while it's in your possession, maybe a newer model really is the right choice for a concert?
  - sukuriant 13y ago
    That is fair; but, my assumption in this situation is that if the musician owned the instrument themselves, they would have been allowed to tune it. Not being allowed to change details may have been a way for the benefactors of the instruments to keep them from being harmed
    - thaumasiotes 13y ago
      With Stradivarius violins costing millions and millions of dollars, I always assumed that the people playing on them didn't, in the typical case, actually own them (much like how science is now mostly practiced by professionals funded by grants, instead of by the bored idle rich). But I'm not informed on that point; it could be very different.
      - analog31 13y ago
        I don't know the exact breakdown of numbers, but it's increasingly common for a Strad to be owned by a benefactor and loaned to the musician. I don't know of any other artifact that straddles such extremes of being a treasure but also a work horse. Even the owners of lesser instruments have to deal with the implications of taking a valuable and delicate instrument out of the house to play in a saloon. For this reason, tweaking a Strad is unlikely to be done casually. Re-stringing? Sure, at the very least E strings, which break all the time. But a set of fiddle strings is damned expensive, and takes time to break in so they don't sound too harsh, so re-stringing has to be coordinated with one's performance schedule. Online, one can find a list of every known Strad, its history of owners, etc. Interestingly enough, a couple of them are listed as missing or stolen.
rquantz 13y ago
You believe wrong. Also, even if they are, traveling with an instrument, especially and old finicky one (and they do get finicky when they get old) can throw it out of adjustment, a seam can pop open, a string can go false, etc. The new ones, on the other hand, since they were actually new, were probably being maintained by their makers, who undoubtedly made sure they were in top condition when they went into competition with a strad.
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DrStalker 13y ago

I'd say they proved conclusively a modern violin you can adjust is preferred over an old violin you can't adjust, and pragmatically that's the only meaningful test since since there doesn't seem to be such a thing as an older violin you are allowed to adjust freely.