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For those uninitiated, what is JD Edwards exactly so that jderef.com was so valuable?

darbelo 13y ago
From their site: Oracle's JD Edwards EnterpriseOne is an integrated applications suite of comprehensive enterprise resource planning software that combines business value, standards-based technology, and deep industry experience into a business solution with a low total cost of ownership. Essentially, an ERP and set of buzzword-bingo cards in the same box.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > Essentially, an ERP and set of buzzword-bingo cards in the same box. Isn't that redundant? ERPs always come with buzzword-bingo sets, its like a defining feature of the product class.
- spikels 13y ago
  Wow! That's hilarious. I must take a really skilled person to write something like that.
- anton_gogolev 13y ago
  Yeah, this is the reason I asked in the first place. I could not, for the life of me, decipher this 100% buzzword-compliant description.
  - anigbrowl 13y ago
    an integrated applications suite = bunch of software interfaces for... of comprehensive enterprise resource planning software = your business purchasing and maintenance problems that combines business value = giving you the most bang for your buck, standards-based technology = not sure about this one... can be tweaked by your IT department OR helps you select products/services that meet regulatory standards so that you won't get sued for cutting corners deep industry experience = nobody got fired for picking something everyone uses into a business solution = we will unpack and assemble it for you, but you should really buy the Gold Support Package or budget a lot more for your IT department, because it isn't compatible with anything else with a low total cost of ownership = we make most of our money on the Gold Support Package, but will let you fool yourself into thinking that you won't need it.
arethuza 13y ago
It's a high-end ERP system (the jargon is "Tier 1" - this has nothing to do with how the software is structured) - so an SAP competitor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Edwards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Edwards
HillRat 13y ago
JDE has a consistent, logical, and totally infuriating table and column naming convention that's a holdover from its System/34 days, so that you're always having to select GLAA from F0911 and so on. Worse yet, the system doesn't store human-readable descriptions in a consistent manner, so you have to do half a dozen joins just to get to the object names. So JDERef would have provided a valuable service to anyone who needs to talk to a JDE database -- without a handy schema reference, it's just a pile of characters.
- arethuza 13y ago
  Out of interest, how many tables does JDE have in its database?
  - endersshadow 13y ago
    Hundreds, depending on the packages used by the customer. The good news is that the names never changed, so you could write a third-party add-on to it and it would always work. I know of a company that wrote a plug-and-play data warehouse for only JDE customers.
  - HillRat 13y ago
    Roughly 5,000, as I recall (JDE was only tangentially related to my world). I think about 1,500 of those map to specific system objects. There's also various naming conventions for other objects; user-defined value lists have terse names like "UDC 98/SY" (which is, I think, the value list of value lists, or some such), batch routines have names like "R09430," and so on. It's all horribly brain-deadening, and the cognitive barrier to entry is extremely high. Evidently ORCL likes it that way.

From their site: Oracle's JD Edwards EnterpriseOne is an integrated applications suite of comprehensive enterprise resource planning software that combines business value, standards-based technology, and deep industry experience into a business solution with a low total cost of ownership. Essentially, an ERP and set of buzzword-bingo cards in the same box.

dragonwriter 13y ago
> Essentially, an ERP and set of buzzword-bingo cards in the same box. Isn't that redundant? ERPs always come with buzzword-bingo sets, its like a defining feature of the product class.
spikels 13y ago
Wow! That's hilarious. I must take a really skilled person to write something like that.
anton_gogolev 13y ago
Yeah, this is the reason I asked in the first place. I could not, for the life of me, decipher this 100% buzzword-compliant description.
- anigbrowl 13y ago
  an integrated applications suite = bunch of software interfaces for... of comprehensive enterprise resource planning software = your business purchasing and maintenance problems that combines business value = giving you the most bang for your buck, standards-based technology = not sure about this one... can be tweaked by your IT department OR helps you select products/services that meet regulatory standards so that you won't get sued for cutting corners deep industry experience = nobody got fired for picking something everyone uses into a business solution = we will unpack and assemble it for you, but you should really buy the Gold Support Package or budget a lot more for your IT department, because it isn't compatible with anything else with a low total cost of ownership = we make most of our money on the Gold Support Package, but will let you fool yourself into thinking that you won't need it.

arethuza 13y ago

It's a high-end ERP system (the jargon is "Tier 1" - this has nothing to do with how the software is structured) - so an SAP competitor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Edwards http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Edwards

HillRat 13y ago

JDE has a consistent, logical, and totally infuriating table and column naming convention that's a holdover from its System/34 days, so that you're always having to select GLAA from F0911 and so on. Worse yet, the system doesn't store human-readable descriptions in a consistent manner, so you have to do half a dozen joins just to get to the object names. So JDERef would have provided a valuable service to anyone who needs to talk to a JDE database -- without a handy schema reference, it's just a pile of characters.

arethuza 13y ago
Out of interest, how many tables does JDE have in its database?
- endersshadow 13y ago
  Hundreds, depending on the packages used by the customer. The good news is that the names never changed, so you could write a third-party add-on to it and it would always work. I know of a company that wrote a plug-and-play data warehouse for only JDE customers.
- HillRat 13y ago
  Roughly 5,000, as I recall (JDE was only tangentially related to my world). I think about 1,500 of those map to specific system objects. There's also various naming conventions for other objects; user-defined value lists have terse names like "UDC 98/SY" (which is, I think, the value list of value lists, or some such), batch routines have names like "R09430," and so on. It's all horribly brain-deadening, and the cognitive barrier to entry is extremely high. Evidently ORCL likes it that way.