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> "if you can't compete on product, slander" negative ad campaigns (e.g., scroogled) Why do you think Scroogled is slander? Some of this stuff seems pretty acc

> "if you can't compete on product, slander" negative ad campaigns (e.g., scroogled) Why do you think Scroogled is slander? Some of this stuff seems pretty accurate: http://www.scroogled.com/privacy http://www.scroogled.com/privacy By comparison, Microsoft asks for explicit permission for any information sharing in their OS and software.

danford 13y ago
>http://www.scroogled.com/privacy http://www.scroogled.com/privacy The first headline on that page is about google being accused of "wiretapping in gmail scans". Didn't both companies knowingly participate in mass spying along side the government? As far as I'm concerned, neither company is trustworthy. Who cares what a virtual document says in this day and age. >Microsoft asks for explicit permission for any information sharing in their OS and software. I just don't believe it. I can't believe it. For one thing, we know they're helping the government spy on people. But that doesn't matter, because if I sat down with just about any randomly selected windows user, they would have no idea what the MS TOS says, or any TOS associated with MS. I've never been using a MS service and had a pop-up come up and explicitly tell me they're sending my info to x y x. IMHO we should do away with TOS altogether and rather than individuals having to agree to all sorts of crap they don't understand, the corporations should have to follow a TOS written by some consortium of smart tech-minded people and not bought and sold congressmen and lawyers. edit: and also, how does the MS TOS work when I access a MS based server and upload information to it? I'm assuming it comes down to what the service providers TOS says, but then doesn't every service running on a windows based server need to have you agree to both the windows TOS and their TOS before taking your information (even if you agree to one TOS within another TOS)? Serious question.
- teacup50 13y ago
  > I just don't believe it. I can't believe it. Well, I like having the option to say "no", even if most users don't know to do so. > For one thing, we know they're helping the government spy on people. The NSA used windows error reporting, which works by sending stack dumps to Microsoft. The use of Windows Error Reporting is opt-in. > ...the corporations should have to follow a TOS written by some consortium of smart tech-minded people and not bought and sold congressmen and lawyers ... We should have better privacy laws that treat personal information as a valuable user-owned commodity that can't be aggregated and sold; the dangers inherent in a self-sufficient private surveillance apparatus are just too staggering: - It is far too easily co-opted by the state, as evidenced by NSA revelations. - The power and information asymmetry between individuals and corporations can easily grow to the point where fair trade is simply not viable. A hypothetical: - Google knows the contents of your e-mails - Google has cookies in your browser - Google knows where you log in from - Google notices that you (or your business) is planning a trip. - Google sells this information to the airlines - The airlines adjust their rates based on the perceived likelihood of your paying the higher or lower rate, based on insider knowledge of your income and need. This is hardly science fiction in a world where Target knows its customers are pregnant before their immediate family does. Google (and others) are already tracking you around the web, reading your communications, hosting your corporate e-mail. Google Analytics is in everything. The end-game just doesn't seem ideal here.
  - PavlovsCat 13y ago
    > This is hardly science fiction in a world where Target knows its customers are pregnant before their immediate family does. It's truly not: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/08/eric-schmidt-on-future-of-search.html http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/08/eric-schmidt-on-fut... "The power of individual targeting — the technology will be so good it will be very hard for people to watch or consume something that has not in some sense been tailored for them," says Eric Schmidt.
msh 13y ago
No, they delete files from skydrive and block accounts if they don't like the files you are storing privately . And, we are not talking illegal material: http://www.neowin.net/news/man-says-microsoft-blocked-him-because-of-private-skydrive-folder http://www.neowin.net/news/man-says-microsoft-blocked-him-be...
- teacup50 13y ago
  "Assuming that everything went down as WingsofFury claims -- and since there's really no way to investigate it, we can't confirm that it did ..." Even if Microsoft is hypocritical, that doesn't magically turn what they're claiming into "slander". It just demonstrates that their arguments against an advertising-driven vertically integrated Google cloud can also apply to their own cloud services.
- rtempq 13y ago
  They did worst to me, the first file of a multi-volume archive is corrupted
wdr1 13y ago
> By comparison, Microsoft asks for explicit permission for any information sharing in their OS and software. By comparison, no, Microsoft doesn't stand up very well. That's what none of the Microsoft apologists don't seem to understand: Microsoft Fined $731 Million by EU Over Browser Accord (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-06/microsoft-fined-731-million-by-eu-for-violating-browser-accord.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-06/microsoft-fined-731...) Microsoft sniffed blogger's Hotmail account to trace leak (http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-sniffed-bloggers-hotmail-account-to-trace-leak/ http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-sniffed-bloggers-hotmail-...) Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results (http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-our-search-results-62914 http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-...) Microsoft is Attacking Free Software and Standards in the UK, Behind Closed Doors (http://techrights.org/2012/04/17/leakage-of-dirty-tricks/ http://techrights.org/2012/04/17/leakage-of-dirty-tricks/) Microsoft Has Hired 1,000 ‘Viral Marketers’ to Astroturf the Xbox One & PS4 Launches (http://furiousfanboys.com/2013/11/microsoft-has-hired-1000-viral-marketers-to-astroturf-the-xbox-one-ps4-launches/ http://furiousfanboys.com/2013/11/microsoft-has-hired-1000-v...) Microsoft changes its story, concedes death of Zune hardware (http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/04/microsoft_changes_its_story_concedes_death_of_zune_hardware http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/04/microsoft_changes_...)
- bowlofpetunias 13y ago
  By comparison, Microsoft stands up very well when it comes to respecting the consumer's privacy. But that is mostly thanks to Google and Facebook setting the bar very, very low.

danford 13y ago

>http://www.scroogled.com/privacy http://www.scroogled.com/privacy The first headline on that page is about google being accused of "wiretapping in gmail scans". Didn't both companies knowingly participate in mass spying along side the government? As far as I'm concerned, neither company is trustworthy. Who cares what a virtual document says in this day and age. >Microsoft asks for explicit permission for any information sharing in their OS and software. I just don't believe it. I can't believe it. For one thing, we know they're helping the government spy on people. But that doesn't matter, because if I sat down with just about any randomly selected windows user, they would have no idea what the MS TOS says, or any TOS associated with MS. I've never been using a MS service and had a pop-up come up and explicitly tell me they're sending my info to x y x. IMHO we should do away with TOS altogether and rather than individuals having to agree to all sorts of crap they don't understand, the corporations should have to follow a TOS written by some consortium of smart tech-minded people and not bought and sold congressmen and lawyers. edit: and also, how does the MS TOS work when I access a MS based server and upload information to it? I'm assuming it comes down to what the service providers TOS says, but then doesn't every service running on a windows based server need to have you agree to both the windows TOS and their TOS before taking your information (even if you agree to one TOS within another TOS)? Serious question.

teacup50 13y ago
> I just don't believe it. I can't believe it. Well, I like having the option to say "no", even if most users don't know to do so. > For one thing, we know they're helping the government spy on people. The NSA used windows error reporting, which works by sending stack dumps to Microsoft. The use of Windows Error Reporting is opt-in. > ...the corporations should have to follow a TOS written by some consortium of smart tech-minded people and not bought and sold congressmen and lawyers ... We should have better privacy laws that treat personal information as a valuable user-owned commodity that can't be aggregated and sold; the dangers inherent in a self-sufficient private surveillance apparatus are just too staggering: - It is far too easily co-opted by the state, as evidenced by NSA revelations. - The power and information asymmetry between individuals and corporations can easily grow to the point where fair trade is simply not viable. A hypothetical: - Google knows the contents of your e-mails - Google has cookies in your browser - Google knows where you log in from - Google notices that you (or your business) is planning a trip. - Google sells this information to the airlines - The airlines adjust their rates based on the perceived likelihood of your paying the higher or lower rate, based on insider knowledge of your income and need. This is hardly science fiction in a world where Target knows its customers are pregnant before their immediate family does. Google (and others) are already tracking you around the web, reading your communications, hosting your corporate e-mail. Google Analytics is in everything. The end-game just doesn't seem ideal here.
- PavlovsCat 13y ago
  > This is hardly science fiction in a world where Target knows its customers are pregnant before their immediate family does. It's truly not: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/08/eric-schmidt-on-future-of-search.html http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/08/eric-schmidt-on-fut... "The power of individual targeting — the technology will be so good it will be very hard for people to watch or consume something that has not in some sense been tailored for them," says Eric Schmidt.

msh 13y ago

No, they delete files from skydrive and block accounts if they don't like the files you are storing privately . And, we are not talking illegal material: http://www.neowin.net/news/man-says-microsoft-blocked-him-because-of-private-skydrive-folder http://www.neowin.net/news/man-says-microsoft-blocked-him-be...

teacup50 13y ago
"Assuming that everything went down as WingsofFury claims -- and since there's really no way to investigate it, we can't confirm that it did ..." Even if Microsoft is hypocritical, that doesn't magically turn what they're claiming into "slander". It just demonstrates that their arguments against an advertising-driven vertically integrated Google cloud can also apply to their own cloud services.
rtempq 13y ago
They did worst to me, the first file of a multi-volume archive is corrupted

wdr1 13y ago

> By comparison, Microsoft asks for explicit permission for any information sharing in their OS and software. By comparison, no, Microsoft doesn't stand up very well. That's what none of the Microsoft apologists don't seem to understand: Microsoft Fined $731 Million by EU Over Browser Accord (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-06/microsoft-fined-731-million-by-eu-for-violating-browser-accord.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-06/microsoft-fined-731...) Microsoft sniffed blogger's Hotmail account to trace leak (http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-sniffed-bloggers-hotmail-account-to-trace-leak/ http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-sniffed-bloggers-hotmail-...) Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results (http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-our-search-results-62914 http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-...) Microsoft is Attacking Free Software and Standards in the UK, Behind Closed Doors (http://techrights.org/2012/04/17/leakage-of-dirty-tricks/ http://techrights.org/2012/04/17/leakage-of-dirty-tricks/) Microsoft Has Hired 1,000 ‘Viral Marketers’ to Astroturf the Xbox One & PS4 Launches (http://furiousfanboys.com/2013/11/microsoft-has-hired-1000-viral-marketers-to-astroturf-the-xbox-one-ps4-launches/ http://furiousfanboys.com/2013/11/microsoft-has-hired-1000-v...) Microsoft changes its story, concedes death of Zune hardware (http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/04/microsoft_changes_its_story_concedes_death_of_zune_hardware http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/04/microsoft_changes_...)

bowlofpetunias 13y ago
By comparison, Microsoft stands up very well when it comes to respecting the consumer's privacy. But that is mostly thanks to Google and Facebook setting the bar very, very low.