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I'm not sure why government taxes should care whether someone has kids or not, it is your choice. If you can't afford to have kids, you probably shouldn't have

I'm not sure why government taxes should care whether someone has kids or not, it is your choice. If you can't afford to have kids, you probably shouldn't have kids. It's easy to be in a painful situation and come to a conclusion "Things should work this way because that would benefit me". There are other things the government should do, such as tax breaks for students, and people with student loans - fostering growth and a successful youthful population is very nice. Tax breaks for people with a highschool education and better grades. Tax breaks for people who do community service, etc, etc...

TulliusCicero 13y ago
"I'm not sure why government taxes should care whether someone has kids or not, it is your choice. If you can't afford to have kids, you probably shouldn't have kids." Because having kids benefits everyone. It's an integral societal good with a staggeringly high individual cost. There's a reason western European countries give such generous benefits to parents like lengthy maternity/paternity leaves.
- vezzy-fnord 13y ago
  Whether or not it is an "integral societal good" depends on the child's upbringing and its eventual contribution to society, neither of which are guaranteed to be positive. In fact, by doing this, you would be encouraging more people (including ones who are ill suited) to raise children merely to pay less taxes, and consequently have more numbers, but less utility.
  - sharemywin 13y ago
    no parent would recommend having a child to pay less taxes.
    - BrandonMarc 13y ago
      ... and no parent would have more kids just to receive more welfare money. Oh, wait.
- nextweek2 13y ago
  > Because having kids benefits everyone This is where economies are built. There is a premise that growth is dependent on population expansion. I think that assumption needs looking at in terms of standards of living and the future. People are living longer but not contributing as much to society. As automation continues to take away low end jobs, we are going to have more people doing less. We are moving from the r to the K side of r/K selection theory [1]. Our economies need to shift from quantity to quality. This is naturally happening but governments are trying to pump up growth with immigration and benefits for parents. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory
cube_yellow 13y ago
> it is your choice It's my choice to remain a student, and to do well. It's my choice to do community service, etc. etc... what's your point? There are few things, if any, as existentially important as creating the next generation.

TulliusCicero 13y ago

"I'm not sure why government taxes should care whether someone has kids or not, it is your choice. If you can't afford to have kids, you probably shouldn't have kids." Because having kids benefits everyone. It's an integral societal good with a staggeringly high individual cost. There's a reason western European countries give such generous benefits to parents like lengthy maternity/paternity leaves.

vezzy-fnord 13y ago
Whether or not it is an "integral societal good" depends on the child's upbringing and its eventual contribution to society, neither of which are guaranteed to be positive. In fact, by doing this, you would be encouraging more people (including ones who are ill suited) to raise children merely to pay less taxes, and consequently have more numbers, but less utility.
- sharemywin 13y ago
  no parent would recommend having a child to pay less taxes.
  - BrandonMarc 13y ago
    ... and no parent would have more kids just to receive more welfare money. Oh, wait.
nextweek2 13y ago
> Because having kids benefits everyone This is where economies are built. There is a premise that growth is dependent on population expansion. I think that assumption needs looking at in terms of standards of living and the future. People are living longer but not contributing as much to society. As automation continues to take away low end jobs, we are going to have more people doing less. We are moving from the r to the K side of r/K selection theory [1]. Our economies need to shift from quantity to quality. This is naturally happening but governments are trying to pump up growth with immigration and benefits for parents. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

cube_yellow 13y ago

> it is your choice It's my choice to remain a student, and to do well. It's my choice to do community service, etc. etc... what's your point? There are few things, if any, as existentially important as creating the next generation.