4 ms·

Do they donate money help fund laws to remove people's rights? Thats big thing, its one thing to be against gay marriage its another thing to fund campaigns t

by adrr 13y ago

Do they donate money help fund laws to remove people's rights? Thats big thing, its one thing to be against gay marriage its another thing to fund campaigns to ban it. Obama is against gay marriage, but he has never taken any action to prevent gays from getting married or recognizing gay marriages. Thats the key difference. If the former Mozilla CEO just tweeted he's against gay marriage, i am willing to bet he'd still have a job.

Xelank 13y ago
Double standards here. You wouldn't be against anyone who donated to the cause because you think it's 'right'. Now substitute 'gay marriage' with 'legalizing drugs'. See where your argument is going? "He's wrong because he doesn't agree with me and took action to oppose it". If people never took action to push their beliefs then we'll still have slavery in USA. We're a democratic society, and people are free to voice their opinion or donate to campaigns that support their beliefs as long as it is legal.
- adrr 13y ago
  Legalizing drugs isn't about oppressing a minority. Outlawing Interracial marriage would be a better analogy. The same arguments are being used which cite religious beliefs ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation ) .
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    "Legalizing drugs isn't about oppressing a minority." Banning drugs has historically been, at times.
  - ghshephard 13y ago
    "Legalizing drugs isn't about oppressing a minority." Given the significantly enhanced incarceration rates of african americans for drug use, even though their actual drug use is not significantly greater than white americans, I've often thought that Drug Laws have precisely been about a coded way of continuing to oppress minorities, without having to be obvious about it. I was impressed when Rand Paul came out and made it known that he believes this to be true: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/06/24/rand-paul-marijuana-arrests-column/2452259/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/06/24/rand-paul-m...
- Zigurd 13y ago
  The damage done by the Drug Wars is arguably worse than that done by bigotry against gays. It costs more. It imprisons vastly more people. It is supported by official government propaganda. Many more people die because of it. If I had the choice of herding the narcs or the anti-gay bigots onto a leaky barge and towing them out to sea, the narcs would go first. They are materially more dangerous, and the anti-gay bigots are far more likely to see the light.
wlievens 13y ago
Is Obama actually against gay marriage or does he just think it is politically expedient not to support it?
- chimeracoder 13y ago
  He supported it in the 90s, then was "undecided" again for a while, then flat-out against it, then changed his mind again in early 2012 and is now in support of it. Interestingly, as FiveThirtyEight showed at the time, he waited until there was more than 50% support among Democratic voters before finally coming out in support of it this most recent time. (That tipping point happened a couple of months before he announced the "evolution" of his believes.)

by adrr 13y ago

Xelank 13y ago

Double standards here. You wouldn't be against anyone who donated to the cause because you think it's 'right'. Now substitute 'gay marriage' with 'legalizing drugs'. See where your argument is going? "He's wrong because he doesn't agree with me and took action to oppose it". If people never took action to push their beliefs then we'll still have slavery in USA. We're a democratic society, and people are free to voice their opinion or donate to campaigns that support their beliefs as long as it is legal.

adrr 13y ago
Legalizing drugs isn't about oppressing a minority. Outlawing Interracial marriage would be a better analogy. The same arguments are being used which cite religious beliefs ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation ) .
- dllthomas 13y ago
  "Legalizing drugs isn't about oppressing a minority." Banning drugs has historically been, at times.
- ghshephard 13y ago
  "Legalizing drugs isn't about oppressing a minority." Given the significantly enhanced incarceration rates of african americans for drug use, even though their actual drug use is not significantly greater than white americans, I've often thought that Drug Laws have precisely been about a coded way of continuing to oppress minorities, without having to be obvious about it. I was impressed when Rand Paul came out and made it known that he believes this to be true: http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/06/24/rand-paul-marijuana-arrests-column/2452259/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/06/24/rand-paul-m...
Zigurd 13y ago
The damage done by the Drug Wars is arguably worse than that done by bigotry against gays. It costs more. It imprisons vastly more people. It is supported by official government propaganda. Many more people die because of it. If I had the choice of herding the narcs or the anti-gay bigots onto a leaky barge and towing them out to sea, the narcs would go first. They are materially more dangerous, and the anti-gay bigots are far more likely to see the light.

wlievens 13y ago

Is Obama actually against gay marriage or does he just think it is politically expedient not to support it?

chimeracoder 13y ago
He supported it in the 90s, then was "undecided" again for a while, then flat-out against it, then changed his mind again in early 2012 and is now in support of it. Interestingly, as FiveThirtyEight showed at the time, he waited until there was more than 50% support among Democratic voters before finally coming out in support of it this most recent time. (That tipping point happened a couple of months before he announced the "evolution" of his believes.)